To be a sinner , you must commit a sin. Which is doing something wrong according to a religious or moral law. When you are a sinner, and you don't ask for forgiveness, your forever a sinner. Now if a sinner is joined by a saint they might have their battles. The saint might recover the sinner by washing all of its sins, but the sinner might change the saint to be a wrong doing sinner. This battle of sinner VS saint has been going on for century's, now we all know who is gonna win ,so why fight? A sinner will forever need a saint, but a saint will never need a sinner.