Izzy Swan

take it bad*

@kittycattt6777 shit I'm sorry for you, I thout it was just a random group but it was actually your best friend's ship group, that got to hurt and feel surreal getting attacked by your best friend over a ship. I hope you don't take it back but if she gets mad at you over something that silly she wasn't a real friend in the first place and you're better off without you.
            Ps: don't worry about being to familiar, sometimes it feels better to rant to a stranger online because they are neutral and won't judge the situation like the people close to us would do even if inconsciously since they are not neutral.

I think i got too personal with you im sorry 

@kittycattt6777 I'm glad we got around our different to share similar opinions. I thought I already commented that but since I conversation got mixed up with another one on my page, I tagged the wrong person.

@nancy32899 sorry I tagged the wrong person and didn't realized.

@Izzyswan02 
            Which opinions?
            Are you talking about our conversation in the comment section of the story?

@Izzyswan02 
            No problem and same here im glad that we're on good terms 

the base*

I'm not seeing being kind to each other shouldn't be the bae in all healthy relationship but since it's supposed to be the base of all human interaction it can't be used as a stand alone argument for why a couple make sense.

@vixscribbles it seems they got a change of heart, they apologized acknowledge it was rude of them to just leave those kind of characters.
            Apparently from what I understood from their other comments they felt like we were defending Hayley too much and took that as a personal attack against Camille or whatever; either way I made it clear while responding to their first comment that I didn't care for their opinion if it was just spreading hate and if they responded like that again to one of my comment I would block them, it's seems to have been their reality check cuz now they are nice and polite. The human brain work really weirdly, one minute you can be controlled by anger and the next minute you're back to angel mode lol.

@Izzyswan02 Ugh, that is incredibly frustrating and so unfair! I'm sorry that happened to you.
            It's one thing to have a strong opinion about a ship or a character, but it's another entirely to invade a peaceful discussion just to spread hate and personally attack characters (like calling Hayley a "bitch").
            You're absolutely right: you didn't ask them to share their "crazy opinion," and it's rude and inappropriate behavior to derail someone else's conversation just to be hateful. They should have just kept scrolling.

@vixscribbles hey can you believe the nerve of Klaus and Klamille stan, I was peacefully discussing with people on the comment and out of nowhere a crazy Klaus or Klamille stan just started spreading hate on Hayley calling her a bitch, Klaus deserves better, she's a bad person and only Camille loved Klaus blabla but really the nerve to tagged in my discussion just to be hateful but like okay that's your opinion but I didn't ask you to invaded my conversation to share your crazy opinion just go away.

@Izzyswan02 I think my back pain is not muscular actually, I just realized it's been some days I haven't drank enough water so I think that my pain come from my kidneys since the pain is mostly on the right side bottom of my back, that would explain why it still hurts after 3 days while my legs are completely fine now + the pain killer are barely working on the pain. I'll drink tea for breakfast from tomorrow see if the pains leave if it doesn't I'll have to get a medical appointment cuz it'll mean I have an infection.

@torytales I actually didn't remember if it was really the serum who let them beat Klaus since it's been long since I've rewatched the show; but then their only advantage is the venom it doesn't make them stronger than him just more lethal right ?
            I asked the clarification cuz I once saw an YouTube edit that ranked the strongest in TO and they ranked Marcel and Lucien higher than Klaus like second and third with Hope as first(which is logical she's the first and only Tribrid) so I'm confused does the serum actually upgrade their force like Esther spell made Alaric an upgraded original even stronger than Mikael or does the serum just give them a high deadly venom ?

@izzyswan02
            
             You're spot-on that the "Beast" (Lucien/Marcel) threat was purely a magical serum problem, not a reflection of their superior fighting ability:
              Lucien and Marcel's power came entirely from the Upgraded Original venom, which was magically designed to be lethal to Klaus and his siblings. Without that venom, they are just strong vampires; their victory was due to serum toxicity, not superior combat skills. Klaus can't beat Marcel because of the venom, which nullifies his Hybrid advantage.
            Klaus Was Holding Back (Marcel): Your instinct about Marcel is absolutely correct. Klaus saw Marcel as a son. Marcel would have been dead "way before all the crass he did" if Klaus hadn't been perpetually holding back due to paternal guilt and affection. The only thing that ever protected Marcel from a full-powered Klaus was Klaus's own mercy.
             The Elijah Loophole: You're also right to question the "Elijah always wins" narrative. When Elijah bested Klaus, Klaus was almost always emotionally or physically weakened. In a fair fight, Klaus's pure, primal rage as the Original Hybrid is the most feared—Elijah's "honor" usually just delays his defeat.
            

@josselyn777 yeah I think I followed in case I found one of your story to my taste.

@Izzyswan02 I'm glad that you've followed my profile I'll soon publish the story 

@josselyn777 yeah of course you have a lot of work to do before writing the plot itself so I don't really expect the story to be posted soon and I think I subscribed to you so I'll saw a notification when you upload the story here.

@Izzyswan02 Yeah you're right Delena were less toxic than Klaroline atleast the love was two sided  in Klaroline it was one sided Caroline may had a soft spot for him and deep down she wanted him to be better but i don't think she ever really fell for him and yeah Klaus knew what he was doing when he hurted Caroline but the fandom romantize it like always 

@Izzyswan02 
            Exactlyyy !every single point you made is so true. People keep twisting Hayley’s choices but the show literally never showed her as someone chasing wealth or cheating. She just wanted a family and stability, that’s it. And thank you for pointing out the difference between Cami understanding Klaus like a psychiatrist vs Hayley relating to him as someone who actually shared his pain as an orphan and a hybrid. That emotional + physical connection is what made Hayley and Klaus’s dynamic way more powerful and real. Like i also try to debate with some stans calmly that Cami understood him through her psychological insights there's a difference no doubt she helped him but she didn't went through the pain he did even she defended him at some points where she should have correct him unlike Hayley she always went to Klaus when he crossed a line and as i said before i don't hate Cami as a character but the delusional fandom just make it frustrating and limit Klaus to just two women in his life Cami and Caroline.
            
            And yeah you're right Klayley are same just Hayley is younger and got it a bit better than him also had that merciful side which he didn't had at times.
            

@vixscribbles what's more annoying is how people treat Elena because of her feelings and relationship with Damon but then they preach Klaroline as endgame and better love for Caroline when Damon for all his faults and toxicity never attacked Elena directly and when he hurted her family and friends it was due to strong emotions(not an excuse but that explains his actions) Klaus on the other hand perfectly knew what he was doing when he hurted Caroline it was all political moves so if I have to decide the less toxic relationship between Delena and Klaroline it'll always be Delena.

@vixscribbles lol you've responded on the wrong convo so I almost didn't see the comment. So true we see both sides of the narrative and that's when you know you understand the show better than most, I seriously feel that the only reason the Mikaelson are being treated that way it's because they are the originals so they account old vampire/beings to high number of victims when young vampire can do lots of damage too if they want (aka Stefan, Damon, Isobel and even Elena) if the roles were reversed and the Mystic gang was the originals than only then would they get hate and as the Scooby gang the Mikaelson would be the heroes.

@Izzyswan02 
            I'm glad we do understand each other POV because we see both sides of the pictures people just see one .
            
            It's so frustrating when fans are so focused on their "ships" or a simple hero/villain narrative that they miss all the nuance in the show. You're right, the Mystic Falls gang's actions are often worse than what they accuse the Mikaelsons of, and yet they get a pass because it's framed as "protecting Elena." It's a huge part of why the Mikaelsons are so compelling—they're not just one-dimensional villains, and their attempts to make peace are always treated with suspicion.

@vixscribbles yeah

@aurorademartelslayy yeah it's amazing that both Phoebe and Joseph still find a way to show/express how deep Klayley's bond is truly like with how the show kept the characters at arm length.

@aurorademartelslayy I understand your stand on Klamille and seriously the way they could have built a good friendship or even a transitional love until Klaus is reading to face his feelings for Hayley but the show forced an endgame in Klamille completely destroyed their potential as part of each other journey to grow as person even more with the whole therapy thing when Klaus just needed a confident and someone to help him acknowledge/validate his emotions. Like yeah he needed a therapy to overcome his trauma but that should have been with someone else then Cami and first he needed a friend/anchor to stabilize his mind before being trying to overcome his trauma.

@aurorademartelslayy People are so blind when things don't happen like they want that they are ready to create any proof to sail their ship when there's actual proof for other ships but those are being ignored or discarded as us being delusional.
            The way Haylijah fan defend their ship by saying there was nothing between Klaus and Hayley apart their "one night stand" so it's okay for Haylijah to happen and they are old Vampire so human morals doesn't apply to them blablabla. Like even if it was true and there was nothing between Klayley it still doesn't make it okay for Elijah to get involved with his brother's baby mama before said brother could build a bond with her and their future child also even if Klayley weren't romantic Hayley became his pack the moment she got pregnant from him so she was his by wolf law and every suitors should get Klaus permission first.
            
            Well I actually have nothing against Declan cuz at least that happens naturally and off screen  compared to Jayley and Haylijah, the only thing I didn't like about Declan was that they made him present for Hope like a stepfather when Klaus(her real father) was magically forced away from his daughter once again.