Titan-682

Life_Riderthe1

@Life_Riderthe1 imma keep going though all author statements and outside media are null and void. so so far its 2-A. seems alright. 
            "We have The Grade, a dimension that transcends time and space and is described as a plane of existence superior to reality, to the point that the implied destruction of the past for the multiverse was considered inconsequential to it." the scan they provide literally never says that lol. and this also isn't outer so its kinda of like weird to argue this. well inconsequential * 0 is still 4d.and being on a different plane of existence then reality also doesn't prove even Low 1-C. 
            
            so "Where both Heaven and Hell transcend the entire multiverse, not only on a spatial level, but also on a mathematical and possibly conceptual level.
            " why do they end it off with a NLF? none of the scans they showed says this. they also appealed to possibility right there. This is my issue with powerscalers is that they think "oh but you can argue X" no one cares if you can argue X. this is why powerscalers get clowned on in the community cause of allowing said logic. for one none of the scans say anything like transvestic, or beyond the thing from where space is cut from. math is inherently not impressive unless you are still living in 2014 when vsb wanted to stop darkseid from one shotting all the math verses. and what do they mean "Conceptual level" nothing provided proves hell is just beyond the thing from where concepts are cut from, none of the scans even mentions conceptual nature. 
            
            Based off the doc even with steelmanning it any person who reads it should come to the same conclusion its only 2-A and even then you probably could argue like "prove timelines have 4 spatial vectors to them" and say they kept repeating high 3-A stuff and random stuff that's never been impressive.
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Life_Riderthe1

@Titan-682 this is just my thoughts. First scan dismissed via dota. 
            the second bit appeals to possibility
            the third doesn't mean anything. the first two scans if you give it the infinite sized stuff would only make it high 3-A and that based off the first two scans never actually says its infinite they are kinda of just appealing to possibility. 
            5. "If these three are anything to go by the rest of the realms and voids etc. should be infinite in size meaning we have at least eight infinite-sized realms (possibly ten) that potentially exist outside of time or beyond time." again appealing to possibility and none of the scans say outside of time or beyond time not like that be all that impressive but again for sake (I am just going off provided) So i'll steelman them again lets give them 8 * high universal as so far nothing proves the 4th vector they are just saying these dimensions are infinite in size. Not even seeing them argue if they are Universes but seemingly just arguing they are realms/dimensions so 8 - 10 high universal so far.
            6, "Now let's talk about the cosmology of the multiverse that encompasses the comics." wheres the proof of this from the comic dismissed via hitchenz razor then it once again appeals to possibility those other comics are canon. but lets steelman them again and ignore logical fallacies ig. so far still high 3-A
            7.  high 3-A still never actually moves past Uni+, uses crossverse scaling which any proper powerscaler will tell you is inherently dubious. but lets give these timelines each Uni+ and assume these are supposdly impressive so lets see so lets just give it Low 2-C and if its infinite that be 2-A but thats me steelmaning it and not just properly reading what they are trying to assert here.
            uses another author scan which is dismissed dota. i am not sure where they are getting those idw stuff from but if we keeping it logically sound no one worth any salt would use those to actually powerscale as we aren't scaling the brain.
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AltNephilim666

@Life_Riderthe1
          
          Hi, so I hate to trouble you, but since I feel that I will implement changes to my The Original Tribrid (when it retunes in my official account for story updates) involving the TVD Novel Old Ones’ feats with their capabilities of the abilities they have and limits they have too. Especially the capabilities and feats of Novel Klaus as best you can describe to me. I apologize if I am asking much but given you possess more knowledge on the novels than me and the TVD wiki is pretty vague on describing how strong Old Ones are and fanon is exaggerated and bias IMO that it feels unreliable with how people wrote Old Ones can “destroy planets”. Thanks to Wattpad closing my account our previous conversation regarding the topic is no longer present on your message board. So if it’s not too much trouble, could you please describe to me how strong Old Ones are again and Klaus too as it would help me a lot for my story’s possible return as I have something interesting in mind. I would appreciate the help.
          
          I’ll wait for your response when you are ready. Take all the time you need. 

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@Life_Riderthe1 I see. That’s good to know. Thank you for sharing. It helps a lot for my story to know the full extent of what the novel versions are capable of of since I had read the Mortal Instruments and the book version characters had better feats than their tv versions and I would say probably stronger for some certain stuff 
            
            Tv Jonathan is strong but book version was near immortal that only heavenly fire could kill him even though if Sebastian didn’t have the angelic wings and ability to kill people with a looks I will say he was far evil than the tv show version
            
            Thank you for giving me the run-down of how powerful Old Ones are. I appreciate it and I’m also happy to help if you need it if it’s within my knowledge of course
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Life_Riderthe1

@AltNephilim666 I'd say the old ones are like around that small building level to like city level ranges. I didn't see anyone going around blowing up any planets or anything cause I feel blowing the earth up would have runed the story, but there is mentions the old ones could kill everyone on earth. The dark dimension I don't think anyone scales to and those souls that carry klaus off where like a form of BFR. I'd say if anything they might be on par with the Gods in legacies if anything given how much Ken does with reality warping and illusions
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AltNephilim666

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          Hey so bad news. My account zangetsu13 was closed cause some jerk falsely reported me for copyright infringement when I had asked the artists and none of them reported me and were okay with anyone using their art. Can you believe the nerve of people doing that and Wattpad not even asking for proof if it’s the artists themselves making a report. So this current account is not my official one for story updates and when I’ve got it ready I’ll make an announcement to everyone I’m back. Just wanted to let you know and have a great day.

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@Life_Riderthe1 also thanks for the follow. I appreciate it.
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Life_Riderthe1

@AltNephilim666 Damn thats unfortunate. I really liked your stories. Such a shame of people
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Life_Riderthe1

@zangetsu13 "Based on what I’m seeing Old Ones are not planet busting and likely below continent or mountain" yea i didn't see any like planet busting feats unless it happens in the salvtore diary novels or what the wiki list as "fanfiction" novels. but i don't have my hopes up. I can keep looking but it just seems like they are small building level to like whatever you wanna scale those dimensions to in the tv show ngl. 
          "Klaus I was aware it said he made a deal with the Devil, can’t die by the usual vampiric means, are legend among the supernatural community in TVD novel " Yea all Old Ones can only die to special means but Jack made vampires from a Lab they were also special and went after the Old ones so his Vampires would rule the world, they kill Jack and due to the Guardian rules Elena starts to die because apparently if you don't die but gain vampire powers it goes around the Guardians laws because he was still "human" just with vampire powers lol. Klaus has his cool moments in the novel

Life_Riderthe1

@zangetsu13 soloman seemed more calculate in the sense of being invisible compared to the other Old ones, klaus was boasting strength, cel was strange. The Old ones abilities can fly? They try to use the power of earth on Klaus but do to being in the air the power of earth doesn't work seem like a weird way to do that with the green barrier. Yea what i provided direct quotes from the Novel so hope it helps. Hope would gain flight? walking on water sounds funny, i feel she can already dream walking but its only temporally. The fact Klaus can trap people in the between of Life and death away from the physical world is a cool ability. but they didn't seem to go around blowing the earth up or anything lol

Life_Riderthe1

"It was true that Jack was hunting the Old Ones, just as we were. But
          he didn’t want to make the world safer. Jack had created a new kind of
          vampire through drugs and surgeries instead of blood and magic. The
          vampires Jack made are terrifying: immune to sunlight and vervain and,
          according to Damon, impossible to kill by any of the usual methods.
          Jack didn’t want any competition for his lab-created race of vampires.
          So he set out to eliminate the most dangerous vampires, the oldest ones. Not
          just the ancient Old Ones, but also the clever, long-lived vampires who have
          lasted a few centuries. Vampires like Katherine and Damon. Like Stefan.
          Jack used us all—my Guardian Power, Stefan and Meredith’s fighting
          ability, Bonnie’s magic—as weapons against Solomon. The Old One was
          too well hidden for Jack to find on his own. But once Solomon was dead,
          Stefan was just another obstacle in Jack’s way.
          We don’t know where Jack is now, or what he’s planning next. The
          hunters who traveled with him—Trinity, Darlene, and Alex—were as fooled
          by him as we were. They’ve left town, trying to track Jack. But they haven’t
          got a clue where he might be."

Life_Riderthe1

"“You say you can see auras
          now? Use your Power. There’s no one in there.”
          He was right. As soon as Elena really looked, she could see that there
          was no trace of Andrés’s green or that terrible chilling blackness that Klaus
          carried with him.
          "

Life_Riderthe1

"“Most
          commonly, they are safeguarded against death by paranormal means. The
          Power—the Guardian Powers—can’t make them immortal, because they
          have to stay in tune with nature. Elena could be run over by a car or die of
          disease, but, if this is what’s happened, she can’t be killed by a vampire’s
          bite or a spell, or”—he waved a hand in the direction that Klaus and his
          family had retreated—“by a magical dagger.”
          “If Klaus and his vampires can’t kill her,” Meredith said, starting to grin
          a wild, delighted grin, “then we have a weapon. Elena’s safe.”"