NerdGuy00
Watch both it should take around 40 minutes if I remember the times correctly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyfO3h6zj6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2QRSsDwBHU
SadCheesyFries
@NerdGuy00 Looking at it that way, yeah, I'd say the scaling for Super and Hyper is correct; I was more caught up on how strong he was making The End (I don't think The End is stronger than Solaris) But still, I'd say Goku is still on, if not beyond that level. Since in the first arc of DBS, Goku and Beerus (A Beerus who is holding back by crazy amounts) are creating shockwaves every time their fists collide, and just three of these shockwaves would have torn all of Universe 7 apart. And Universe 7 is made up of multiple infinite dimensions. And Goku at that time is a humongous weakling compared to modern Goku, like modern Goku could breathe, and that Goku with the universe destroying shockwaves would die. But yeah, like you said, we can agree to disagree. Like I've been saying the whole time, I really think it's an extremely even fight that could go either way.
NerdGuy00
@SadCheesyFries while you are correct in him low balling Zeno I do believe he was accurate about super and hyper sonic because the chaos emeralds do basically contain infinite energy and hyper sonic is just a lot of infinites on top of each other which make him at least (at least from how I'm understanding it) 7D-8D in terms of power and all that but we can always agree to disagree
SadCheesyFries
@NerdGuy00 I watched them both and I agree with a lot of what he said, but there's also some stuff I don't agree with. I think he's making Super Sonic (And in turn, Hyper Sonic) stronger than he really is. And I feel like he low-balled some of the DBZ villains. I would also need to see a video of him going through DBS, since the final villain of DBZ is literally a speck of dust that could be sneezed away by Goku at the end of the first arc of Super. Also, I think at the end, when he was talking about beyond, he also low-balled how powerful Zeno, the Omni King, is. Since we literally don't know his limits at all, just that he can raise a hand and erase an infinite universe that contains multiple infinite pocket dimensions with literally no effort. So I still hold the belief that it could really go either way when it comes to Goku vs Sonic, but I personally, for now, still would go with Goku, because of certain hax he has.
