dreamer_bells

Had this whole discussion with this Indian-Italian  girl. 
          	
          	1. She raised points about Hindu minorities being mistreated in neighbouring countries of India. 
          	
          	This seemed very empathetic. Very brave that she was talking about mistreatment and persecution of minorities in other countries. 
          	But her later statements proved otherwise. It was selective outrage.
          	
          	2. She had replied to another person that 'every action has an equal reaction and that Hindu temples were demolished in Pak and Bangladesh muslims. 
          	
          	The statement about temples being demolished in Pak and Bangladesh is absolutely true. I have often seen videos of secular muslims and activists from Pakistan raising these points and showing evidence. 
          	
          	But here's the thing:- the person above used the excuse that every action has an equal reaction. Any sane person can guess that she was justifying whatever violence that happened in India against Muslims as a proper reaction to demolition of temples in Pak and Bangladesh. Even if that's not the case, whatever justifications she could give(hopefully she does) will not negate my points. 
          	
          	Ever since the current government came to power in India, the places of worship of Islam faith as well as Christianity have been systematically targeted. A simple google search and following alt news will uncover the truth. I don't think that's, in any way, an appropriate reaction to any violence.

dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells 4. She claimed that people talking about Palestine should look at their own countries before pointing fingers.
          	  
          	  I agree. I absolutely do. But shouldn't that start from home? Shouldn't voices of justice start from home? Every other Hindu Activists or right wingers I have met, they continue to claim that Hindus are in danger in neighbouring countries of pak and bdesh, but they barely ever raise a finger for the oppressed voices within India, until they are questioned that why aren't they doing so.
          	  
          	  Selective Outrage is seen among Indians. Amongst Pakistanis. Amongst Bangladeshis. Amongst Americans. Amongst Turks. Amongst Japanese. Amongst every other community in the world who belong to privileged spaces.
          	  
          	  In India, Dalits are lynched and murdered just for existing. Muslims and their places of worship have been facing attacks since 2014(it was there prev as well). Christians are being targetted for converting and their faith is questioned and now churches are being targetted as well. Every Dalit Christian or tribal Christian is targeted for converting which shows casteism. They have attacked before and it's not mentionee in news at all. Beef lynchings and caste violence are common in UP and Bihar.
          	  
          	  Is someone that privileged that they prefer to talk about oppression abroad because it seems safer and abstract? Talking about oppression inside home can hit hard for privileged spaces because we realise that we benefit from the system and indirectly take part in oppression of the subaltern.
          	  
          	  So, the person above who wrote that, did she fall victim to her own words?
          	  
          	  Something to ponder about.
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dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells Thus, coming to my last point, by definition, terrorism is deliberate violence against civilians to create ideological fear. Equating Islam with terrorism is well-crafted propaganda designed to incite violence against Muslims.
          	  Shouldn't the US be declared as terrorists for constantly bombing the middle East for decades?
          	  Shouldn't VHP and RSS be declared as terrorists for deliberately harming the minorities? Recently, the Christmas celebrations across different places were vandalised by RSS. Shouldn't they be declared as terrorists because they fall under every criteria that defines terrorism? Shouldn't VHP be declared as terrorists or genociders for massacring the Christian tribes from Odisha? Terrorists has always been linked to muslims and Islam for a larger agenda, i.e. to justify violence against them and continue to attack the poorer nation for exploitation and get away with it. Hinutva fundamentalsists have adopted that to create more divide between Hindus and muslims to rally votes. They use the atrocities against Hindus in neighbour countries to justify violence in home country. That stands true for Pak and Bangladesh as well, as they continue to persecute their minorities since independence.
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dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells 3. She claimed that Islamic people are more linked to terrorism.
          	  
          	  Before I continue, I must clarify Islam isn't my religion, and, I don't think it's an empowering religion in any way. But that doesn't mean we should fall to propaganda that terrorists belong to one religion or come from one religion alone and that Islamophobia should exist.
          	  
          	  The Middle East is always targeted for their natural resources and most of the terrorist groups that arose from the Middle East were funded by the US. There are many muslim countries in South East Asia, Central Asia, West Asia, North Africa, West Africa who are not involved in terrorism at all. Leaving African Nations aside(exploited by middle East and colonisers), there is barely any terrorism in those countries. That raises the point: Is there something in the Middle East that attracts the US and thus terrorism grows there? Perhaps, oil? Idk maybe you should search.
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dreamer_bells

Had this whole discussion with this Indian-Italian  girl. 
          
          1. She raised points about Hindu minorities being mistreated in neighbouring countries of India. 
          
          This seemed very empathetic. Very brave that she was talking about mistreatment and persecution of minorities in other countries. 
          But her later statements proved otherwise. It was selective outrage.
          
          2. She had replied to another person that 'every action has an equal reaction and that Hindu temples were demolished in Pak and Bangladesh muslims. 
          
          The statement about temples being demolished in Pak and Bangladesh is absolutely true. I have often seen videos of secular muslims and activists from Pakistan raising these points and showing evidence. 
          
          But here's the thing:- the person above used the excuse that every action has an equal reaction. Any sane person can guess that she was justifying whatever violence that happened in India against Muslims as a proper reaction to demolition of temples in Pak and Bangladesh. Even if that's not the case, whatever justifications she could give(hopefully she does) will not negate my points. 
          
          Ever since the current government came to power in India, the places of worship of Islam faith as well as Christianity have been systematically targeted. A simple google search and following alt news will uncover the truth. I don't think that's, in any way, an appropriate reaction to any violence.

dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells 4. She claimed that people talking about Palestine should look at their own countries before pointing fingers.
            
            I agree. I absolutely do. But shouldn't that start from home? Shouldn't voices of justice start from home? Every other Hindu Activists or right wingers I have met, they continue to claim that Hindus are in danger in neighbouring countries of pak and bdesh, but they barely ever raise a finger for the oppressed voices within India, until they are questioned that why aren't they doing so.
            
            Selective Outrage is seen among Indians. Amongst Pakistanis. Amongst Bangladeshis. Amongst Americans. Amongst Turks. Amongst Japanese. Amongst every other community in the world who belong to privileged spaces.
            
            In India, Dalits are lynched and murdered just for existing. Muslims and their places of worship have been facing attacks since 2014(it was there prev as well). Christians are being targetted for converting and their faith is questioned and now churches are being targetted as well. Every Dalit Christian or tribal Christian is targeted for converting which shows casteism. They have attacked before and it's not mentionee in news at all. Beef lynchings and caste violence are common in UP and Bihar.
            
            Is someone that privileged that they prefer to talk about oppression abroad because it seems safer and abstract? Talking about oppression inside home can hit hard for privileged spaces because we realise that we benefit from the system and indirectly take part in oppression of the subaltern.
            
            So, the person above who wrote that, did she fall victim to her own words?
            
            Something to ponder about.
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dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells Thus, coming to my last point, by definition, terrorism is deliberate violence against civilians to create ideological fear. Equating Islam with terrorism is well-crafted propaganda designed to incite violence against Muslims.
            Shouldn't the US be declared as terrorists for constantly bombing the middle East for decades?
            Shouldn't VHP and RSS be declared as terrorists for deliberately harming the minorities? Recently, the Christmas celebrations across different places were vandalised by RSS. Shouldn't they be declared as terrorists because they fall under every criteria that defines terrorism? Shouldn't VHP be declared as terrorists or genociders for massacring the Christian tribes from Odisha? Terrorists has always been linked to muslims and Islam for a larger agenda, i.e. to justify violence against them and continue to attack the poorer nation for exploitation and get away with it. Hinutva fundamentalsists have adopted that to create more divide between Hindus and muslims to rally votes. They use the atrocities against Hindus in neighbour countries to justify violence in home country. That stands true for Pak and Bangladesh as well, as they continue to persecute their minorities since independence.
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dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells 3. She claimed that Islamic people are more linked to terrorism.
            
            Before I continue, I must clarify Islam isn't my religion, and, I don't think it's an empowering religion in any way. But that doesn't mean we should fall to propaganda that terrorists belong to one religion or come from one religion alone and that Islamophobia should exist.
            
            The Middle East is always targeted for their natural resources and most of the terrorist groups that arose from the Middle East were funded by the US. There are many muslim countries in South East Asia, Central Asia, West Asia, North Africa, West Africa who are not involved in terrorism at all. Leaving African Nations aside(exploited by middle East and colonisers), there is barely any terrorism in those countries. That raises the point: Is there something in the Middle East that attracts the US and thus terrorism grows there? Perhaps, oil? Idk maybe you should search.
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dreamer_bells

But I also get why some women still choose to follow religion despite accepting the fact that religion is oppressive towards women and is inherently patriarchal. 
          
          https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGj8yqAvqcQ/?igsh=c2N3aWR1amN5bW0z
          
          This reel by this amazing woman did help me understand why religion needs to be reclaimed by women. 
          
          However, my heart didn't agree completely but I don't see her points. She explains it beautifully.

dreamer_bells

@dreamer_bells I do* see her points
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dreamer_bells

Yk, I'm a hardcore feminist. Radical Feminist. I acknowledge my privilege too. 
          I believe that religion and feminist don't mix. Fundamentally incompatible. If someone claims to follow a religion while calling themselves a feminist, I find it contradictory. You can't fight patriarchy while holding onto the rules that created it. 
          
          Even though I despise religion, its ideals, and the norms it enforces, I’ll still stand up and fight for anyone who’s oppressed, attacked, or lynched simply for following it. Freedom to believe what you want, even if I think it’s wrong, is a basic human right, and nobody gets to take that away with violence.
          
          I'll always criticize and hate on religious people who refuse to acknowledge the flaws in their beliefs or the cruel things done throughout history in the name of their religion. That kind of willful blindness feels like pure ignorance and privilege to me.