farmerabe

@FrolenZan In between the events of White Fang Rising: Revengeance and Grimm May Cry 2, what do you think Adam was up to?

FrolenZan

@farmerabe seclusion, counter terrorist operations, street fighter, drawing a blank here and just throwing ideas. It has to involve Adam and Weiss building a cooperation. After all she is going to be Lucía in that scenario.
          	  
          	  Him saving her at the end of DMC 3 is a start, but they need to have a functioning relationship of at least communicating, before she decides to help him take down Watts.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan So, do you have any other ideas?
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan In between the events of White Fang Rising: Revengeance and Grimm May Cry 2, what do you think Adam was up to?

FrolenZan

@farmerabe seclusion, counter terrorist operations, street fighter, drawing a blank here and just throwing ideas. It has to involve Adam and Weiss building a cooperation. After all she is going to be Lucía in that scenario.
            
            Him saving her at the end of DMC 3 is a start, but they need to have a functioning relationship of at least communicating, before she decides to help him take down Watts.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan So, do you have any other ideas?
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan I have a question that might sound kind of strange, due to me kind of doing exactly this in a roundabout way in GMC, but I digress:
          
          What does keeping Pyrrha in the story past Volume 3 REALLY add to RWBY?
          
          The only thing people bring up is Arkos, but I think Arkos sucks, so…

NitroXwing

Pyrrha was mostly modeled after Achilles.  If Pyrrha survived the fall of Beacon, she might have been doomed to continue living a long and uneventful life in some form or other.
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe True. It's sad how lack of a character she is.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan You just put my exact thoughts on this matter into words.
            
            One person told me keeping Pyrrha around allows us to explore her character, but WHAT character?
            
            All she really was, even back during Beacon, was "Jaune's caretaker."
            
            Even if you rewrote her to be different, I still fail to see what all she really adds to the story post-Beacon.
            
            If it's her dying that people are troubled by, then you can easily have her be crippled or the like instead, and have her show back up in Argus to provide additional aid, you know?
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan Be honest with me:
          
          Is Salem even salvageable as a villain, or is it better to just replace her?

FrolenZan

@farmerabe A villain with a personality similar to Ryomen Sukuna
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan Yeah, I agree.
            
            So what would you replace her with?
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe Honest opinion. No, that damn back story essentially made her a bitter woman who can't accept her husband divorced her, and is making it everyone else's problem. She's a Woman whose been backed up for millenniums and in desperate need of a man. How do you salvage a character like that. You can't just give her a different motive either, everyone associates her as the millennium old Divorced Couger. You can't take her seriously.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan What are the WORST fanfiction takes on RWBY characters you have ever seen?

Speedyboi122

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@farmerabe Y/N abused and ignored fanfics, I HATE how they slander Tai, Ruby, Yang, and many more. I can maybe accept one with Jacques, but HOLY shit, I have seen more Abused and Beatened/Ignored self-insert fanfics with the Tai's family
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe Exactly. Its not manipulation to steer conversations to get people to think for themselves. Its basic Teaching skills. You're never gonna convince someone who is stuck in their ways, you can only point out falsehood, truths, and let them form their own conclusions. As a Christian its something you pick up reading and studying the Bible. The Lord spoke in parables, because his word was meant to be interpreted to all nations. Also at the time, it was the best way to get people to Think, truly sit down, meditate, and understand his word.
            
            Gotta apply what you learn. As I said before, the goal isn't to direct someone's thinking towards your own, its to get them to question themselves.
            
            If you can get someone to pause and think in the conversation, then win or lose, you've all ready put a dent in the armor. Its up to the individual in question to either ignore it, or question it further.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan Yes, I know all of this.
            
            It's hard to remember this when the other party seems to have no interest in actually hearing what you have to say- they just want you to confirm their beliefs.
            
            But I suppose a Christian should be able to address arguments and point out falsehoods without losing their temper, shouldn't they?
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farmerabe

FrolenZan

@farmerabe I don't know. Stop Killing Games has been gaining momentum. Activist driven games are not making any significant amount of money. The players of Genshin impact are finally boycotting the game. Better games are coming out and more developers are learning to respect the players.
            
            Are there still Toxic elements hell bent on the collapse of the video game industry, Yes. However, everyday more and more players are learning that the best way for your voice to be heard, is to stop supporting the companies that have made their hate for you clear. Maybe I'm being a bit too optimistic, but I can see that slowly the game industry is trying to heal.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan I wouldn't go THAT far, but CapCom has always been more based, you know?
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe Wow! I didn't think they'd actually do it. Abe honest question here, is the game industry healing?
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan I have found that the Zelda community is completely miserable when it comes to romance.
          
          Nintendo constantly teases romance between Link and various girls, but if you even so much as HINT that you'd like the option to actually make that happen in a game, they become a bunch of Negative Nellies.
          
          What gives, man?

FrolenZan

@Bakugan5988 exactly, shipping is fun, I think when the ship is made official, it lessens interest.
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Bakugan5988

@FrolenZan well, I'm not one of those fans. I know Nintendo does this because Mario has saved Pete so many times. It's obvious that the two of them are to be a couple, and I like the teasing in the two Mario movies.
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe I don't know. The intricate minds of a Nintendo fan are as unfathomable in its delusions as there are stars in the sky.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan Hey, could you put into words exactly what makes Blake such an unbearable hypocrite?
          
          You're much better at that than I am.

FrolenZan

@Bakugan5988 not entirely True. Her real problem is that she truly believes shes a victim, and she is entitled to the approval of others. Blake knows shes not always right, but years of being told that because shes a faunus and her ancestors have suffered, that she can't let others dictate her actions or she would suffer as well. The idiotic idea of because I'm a victim I have to destroy my oppressor before they destroy me.
            
            She does think she understands others pain, that I'll agree with you. She thinks because she hates discrimination, that she is entitled to be angry for others. She has this ingrained belief that other faunus are helpless, so she needs to be their sword, even when they clearly never ask for it.
            
            She does run away from her problems, but she doesn't force them on others. She recklessly charges forward, and the people who care about her are dragged in to make sure shes OK.
            
            She's not allowed to show remorse for her actions, because NO ONE, has ever called her out. Kinda difficult to feel remorse when no one bothers to inform her of the list of casualties she leaves behind.
            
            She doesn't abandon others because she can't handle the truth. She abandons others because she lives to self depreciate. She wants to appear as the virtuous one, because it solidifies her ideology that because shes just, shes right.
            
            Like a person who goes to church every once in a while and suddenly believes they can preach to others. That is Blake's problem, shes a character designed to be an activist fighting for a cause she has no business putting her 2 cents in purely because shes the same race as those who have been oppressed.
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Bakugan5988

@farmerabe she's always right. She thinks she understands others' pain. She runs away from her problems and yet she forces them on to others. She shows no real remorse for a lot of the actions that she causes. And she abandons everyone that tries to get close to her because she can't handle the truth.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan I'm not sure whether this will get me hate or not, but I was toying with the idea of Jaune NOT being an instant master with all the weapons he acquired throughout GMC3.
          
          As a result, a couple of his montages are a bit lackluster compared to Dante's, you know?

FrolenZan

@farmerabe I actually understood immediately what you were trying to do with that scene and approved instantly. While Grimm may Cry is a fusion if RWBY and Devil May Cry, it is more aligned as an original take on RWBY. So while Jaune is representing Dante, he is not Dante.
            
            He can't reasonably start mastering every weapon he picks up. Doing so would make it less unique, and in all honesty, make the Grimm Arms as irrelevant as the Devil Arms. One thing that constantly annoyed me about the Devil Arms, is that they only ever found use once.
            
            It isn't like they disappear, Vergil being able to Use Beowolf in DMC 5 proves that they still exist. It was even established that Dante hoards the Devil Arms. One think I hope you do is have Jaune pick his favorite set, master them, and distribute the rest.
            
            Ruby giving Crescent Rose to her daughter would make sense if Jaune gives her the Grimm Arms version of Pandoras Box. Sorry but if Ruby was ever to get a Devil Arms, it should be Pandoras box.
            
            At least that's my suggestion. I know Pandoras box appears in DMC 4, but you could just scrap that stupid Frog Fight in Dmc 4, and make it appear during the events of RE4. Doesn't even have to be the Frog, you coild make an Elder Grimm appear in RE4, say the misery of the village attracted it. Have Jaune battle it more than once in different points of the campaign. The final confrontation with Ruby's help. They kill the thing and it spawns Pandoras Box. Ruby instantly falls in love with the weapon. Then eventually years later when Summer starts training, she gives her Crescent Rose.
            
            ... OK im doing it again, sorry ignore all that.
            
            Anyway, yea keep doing what you're doing.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan I was actually inspired by what I did in the first chapter.
            
            People were always moaning about how I didn't put that over-the-top chair sequence in my story, so to keep in line with Jaune's canon character, I had him try to do something cool, and then it doesn't work.
            
            Why not do that with a weaponslike Cerberus?
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe that is a wonderful idea.
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farmerabe

@FrolenZan GMC Mundus, though his origin is very different from his inspiration, is still the evil King of the Grimm.
          
          So why do I feel sympathy for him?

farmerabe

@FrolenZan I guess there is a difference between a creature who was always evil, and one who actually could have been a force for good, only for circumstances to kind of lead to it to becoming a villain, you know?
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FrolenZan

@farmerabe No clue, maybe its because you're developing him more.
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