Farmer Abe

@Bakugan5988 Not really, though.
            
            Like I said, Sonic only gets SUPER crazy when he goes Super Sonic- and pretty much every opponent he has done this with after Perfect Chaos has required allies, another external influence, or both in order to defeat.
            
            Pretty sure Team RWBY could actually defeat Perfect Chaos, thanks to his less than subtle weak point.

@farmerabe you also have to remember the other Sonic mediums I mean compared the Salem a lot of Sonic's enemies in the modern games are like thousands of times stronger than Salem and a lot of the cast of RWBY cuz in many games the Sonic characters feats are definitely better than that of the characters in RWBY

@FrolenZan Well, tough rocks, then.

@farmerabe I'm not saying alter his Jet stream Sam personality, I'm saying that when it comes to his relationship with Yang, he needs to exhibit some of these qualities. Sense Jet Stream Sam was never portrayed in a relationship, you can do what ever you want in that department.

@FrolenZan I mean, Azure's personality would be based on Jetstream Sam's.
            
            Would Sam be able to do that?

@farmerabe that's actually perfect. Not making it a big deal but still alluding to its effects is how that toxic ship should be handled. However just a reminder for Yang and Azure to work, Azure needs to be a pillar for Yang to feel relaxed on.
            
            When it comes to Yang here feelings of Abandonment can cause her to suffer from feelings of anxiety when trusting someone. Azure needs to be able to
            1. Never flinch when she gets temperamental. She needs to feel that the person she is with doesn't treat her like a bomb ready to explode.
            2. See her as Strong. One thing that Yang needs is to feel trusted in her strength. Not fear her, but also not underestimate her.
            3. Yang also needs someone to call her out when she's being an idiot, but not regulate her to being unreliable.
            
            You beginning to see why only Jaune can handle a woman like Yang. You can forge Azure however you like, but when it comes to him being together with Yang, he needs at minimum these core staples. Otherwise you'll need to do alot of hot fixing which at that point you should just regulate them to background noise.

@farmerabe no clue bro. Just no clue.

@FrolenZan I know, dude, I looked up the definition of "coercion" too.
            
            I think RWBYcritics is cooked.
            
            It's bad enough there's people with takes like this over there, but I've also noticed that for all the criticism they give RWBY, they don't actually want it to CHANGE where it counts.
            
            How is RWBY supposed to be better when it keeps all the problems keeping it from being so?

@farmerabe "that isn't coercion, that's driving someone to suicide"
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            ... ...
            Coercion: The practice of persuading someone to do something by using force, threats, intimidation, $"manipulation"$, or control to force someone to act against their will.
            
            I highlighted manipulation there.
            
            Sorry I'm just baffled by that.

@farmerabe Don't bother engaging with people who try to back track on the bravado when their target actually barks back.

@FrolenZan Don't look at me, I was on the receiving end of their stupidity, then the person disagreeing with me tried gaslighting me into believing that I was getting worked up over something stupid because I was getting frustrated with them.
            
            Like, dude, you came and disagreed with my opinion, and raised a stink, and you are telling ME to "calm down?"

@farmerabe I don't have a response to that, im just as confused. Why would a theory of Ruby being Qrows Daughter, and calling him "Dad" upset anyone.
            
            Correct me if I'm but didn't Yang reveal that she practically had to raise Ruby on her own, because her Dad was grieving. Wasn't she and Ruby saved by Qrow when they were kids just after Summers disappearance. Didn't Qrow train Ruby, so if he were her father, it didn't mean he wasn't there doing his part.
            
            TaiYang seemed pretty fine with his daughters going to freaking haven to confront someone who was capable of killing trained huntsman, heck she killed Ozpin. Yet Qrow is the one smart enough to go with and protect Ruby.
            
            I'm at a lost as how it's wrong that if it turned out Qrow was Ruby's Father that she call him dad.
            
            At this point I think people are reading so many fanfictions they can't tell what's really anymore. Some may even think that Qrow not letting himself be called a father but an uncle instead is a form of neglect, EVEN THOUGH HE HELPED RAISE BOTH GIRLS!!!

@farmerabe hard to say. Adam is a faunus, and while he dropped that prejudice, doesn't change the fact that at one point he was the champion of the White Fang. Couple that with him being part Grimm. However the Belmonts true enemy was always Dracula and those who followed him. Trevor becoming friends with Alucard despite his lineage is proof enough racism has no baring in the hearts of the Belmonts.
            
            The old Winchesters should be the same, but the Winchesters losing the ability to wield the whip should play a factor on why Cardins Grand Father, was such a monster, and why his father was so hateful. Not a full role, but the lost of the whip should be a shame the Winchester lineage carried for years that push them into the decline.
            
            So I don't he'd mind teaming up with Adam so long as their goals don't interfere with each other.
            
            Jaune is complicated. It would be more awkward, but they'd definitely patch up their differences, but that would take time. So In the beginning I think he'd prefer Adam, just so he doesn't have to confess front Jaune, but afterwards with their differences set aside, he'd be fine with either or.

@FrolenZan But if he HAD to team up with one of them for whatever reason, who do you think he would prefer it to be?

@farmerabe it depends on whether you want to write Cardin as being open to accepting individuals who are part Grimm and on par with Nosferatu. I wanted Cardin to have the holy attribute, and his existences causes Jaune and Adam to feel sick around him, as a funny condition to the story.
            
            However I remembered that despite my best way to find a way around it, Ruby's Light has to have a holy attribute to it for it to petrify and destroy Grimm.
            
            Light alone doesn't necessarily have a holy attribute. Like Fire, water, earth, even air can be endowed with a holy attribute and they don't actually produce light. Light forged by Technology doesn't have a holy attribute.
            
            However for the effects it's capable of doing, there's no way the light of the silver eyes lacks a holy attribute. Thus my suggestion of Ruby lacking a holy attribute goes right out the windows.
            
            Essentially, I think Cardin should tolerate them, and accept that they have their own war to fight to protect Remnant, and he has his. However that should be the extent of his interactions with them, so No I don't think Cardin would hang out with Jaune and Adam.

@farmerabe Because the Fanon decided the Bella Booty is Canon, and must be worshiped.

@FrolenZan Yeah, that sounds about right.
            
            Ruby and Yang have also done some dumb stuff, but canon at least admitted as much, you know?
            
            Blake, meanwhile, is right even when she is wrong.
            
            Why do so many fanfics run with that?

@farmerabe he's not completely wrong, Ruby and Yang are just as poorly handled. The freaking problem with Blake is that she is the poster child of everything moronic about RT. They gave her an insufferable personality and at every instant she was justified it her disgusting behavior. While Ruby and Yang have just as much character flaws as Blake, they are at least portrayed negatively on occasions. Blake isn't. Runs away from her team, oh she had her reasons. Abandons Adam, oh he was an abuser. She runs away from her parents, oh she was trying to be a freedom fighter not a terrorist. People bad mouth the terrorists actions of the White Fang, oh they're just misguided.
            
            Every God forsaken time she is meant to be called out, she is in the right.
            
            Blake is insufferable.

@farmerabe No actually. If only to see him getting romantic with Ruby, otherwise his existence is better off not there

@FrolenZan But would you still want Jaune to join in on the fun, anyway?

@farmerabe No, originally I thought it would be fun to watch his reaction, but I realized it'd be impossible for him to learn from GMC Jaune, unless you started bestowing said powers.
            
            Which I honestly don't understand why other authors do that when they won't bother adding to the audiences story when the reactions are done. Also Jaune reacting to himself is pointless as unlike Adam, he doesn't need to learn a lesson to adjust his personality. He needs strength and watching a version of himself that is a completely different species does nothing.

@FrolenZan Makes sense.

@farmerabe yes, Qrow was essentially meant to be the strongest Huntsman standard. The fact even Cinder hesitated to make an enemy of him pre maiden, is evident enough of his lethal nature. Not that he couldn't be defeated, but that he is the strongest.

@FrolenZan Oh, so Qrow would still essentially be top dog amongst non-SEWs or Grimm-blooded combatants?

@FrolenZan True.
            
            I personally would go with Volgin, honestly- mostly because everyone who has encountered Tyrian before knows how bad he is.
            
            Then he fills the role of someone like Volgin, and they realize just how much WORSE he could get, you know?

@farmerabe his build, his insanity, and might as well put him to use.

@FrolenZan I read that fanfic, that was actually a pretty clever chapter.
            
            Why Banesaw specifically?

@FrolenZan Good point.

@farmerabe occam's razor bro. You don't always need to devise epic reasons or put so much thought into something. If you want to forge an unlikely outcome, it doesn't require a complete rewrite. A simple adjustment is often the best course.
            
            You asked why Adam should spare Azure if it seems out of character. I answered, make up a reason, and you came up with an easy answer. Try not to be so beholden to perfection, you miss easy solutions.

@FrolenZan  Fair enough.
            
            I don't think Jaune has resentment towards Ozma, though.
            
            Maybe he entrusts the Ozma to Ash as a symbol of their partnership?