lucyc34466

@flowersandlight Hi girl , ik obx season 4 came out a while ago buttt what are your ops ? I actually think this season was really good ( minus the ending obvi) 
          	There’s so much drama circulating again about rudy and Maddie and honestly idrk what to believe. Do you think JJ being killed off was Rudy/elaines choice or do u think it was actually the writers plan all along ? . I do remember I interview from ages ago ( before s3 I think, I’m not fully sure) where the pate bros said they already know how the show will end so that’s why I’m a bit confused . Lmk ur thoughts ! 
          	ALSO are u going to watch s5 ? I think a lot of diehard JJ fans are not cuz the show would be ‘ boring “ without him . I defo will be still watching as I want to see the pouges get their revenge and I wanna see Jarahs baby :) 

flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 As angry and heartbroken as I am for what directions the writers decided to go with JJ's character in season 4, I'd love to say I'd be able to walk away from the show, but I just can't. I'm way too invested in what's going to happen. I LOVE JJ, and I can't fathom what it will be like without him. I don't even want to because I've already had nightmares about it. But I defo do not think it will be boring. If anything, it'll be the opposite. I wish it hadn't taken such a dark turn, but there's no going back unless they choose to revive JJ with the blue crown in s5 which is still a possibility (as long as Rudy would be willing to come back and his gf doesn't get in the way again smh). But either way, I am SO SO SO excited for Kie's revenge. They said it'll mainly be her season (plus with Cleo background) and those are my girls. I love Sarah too, of course, but I'm a die hard Kiara/Madison fan forever. As long as they don't eff up the whole season by making her and Rafe endgame, I'll be alright. But I'm scared that'll happen because Jonas is the only writer not on board with Riara. Even Madison and Drew have said they don't like the idea of it at all-- especially Madison. She hates it sooo much. And YES!!! I want to see Jarah's baby so bad. I doubt Sarah will have given birth by next season though since they'll pick up where s4 left off. Maybe it'll be a flash forward near the end. I just hope the writers do their characters justice, because in my opinion, they didn't do JJ justice at all with how he died, etc. I could rant about it for days lol. Also forgot to mention before, it's been revealed that several different endings were filmed-- some with JJ dying in other ways, some with him surviving, and even something about JJ proposing to Kie. I think it was indefinitely Rudy's decision to leave in the end (heavily influenced by Elaine), not the writers, but they just don't want to portray him as a bad person because they're very respectable people.
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flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 OMG I have sooo many things to say about the whole lot of this so this might be a super long paragraph/s hahaha. I've known about the Maddie/Rudy/Elaine/Mariah drama for quite some time, so I have some very strong opinions about that lol. It was definitely not Elaine's choice given the fact that she was fired from the show early during season 4. I don't know the direct details of that, but the Jpates (Josh & Jonas, the brothers & writers/creators of the show) had some issues with her & so did Lilah (Jonas's daughter who is in the show-- the one to talk to them about Scooter's body & finds the dead guy in the dunes in season 4) because Lilah used to consider Elaine like an older sister & now they don't even follow each other on Instagram. Adding onto/from that, Elaine was always kind of an issue on set because she was always jealous of Maddie a little bit, but then oystergate happened which was when everyone found out Rudy was leaving/JJ was dying. 
          	      I do think it was definitely a mix of the Jpates & Rudy with why JJ died because Jpates are claiming it's been in the plans since season 1-- take that with a grain of salt though because they could totally be saying that to cover their butts. I also find it interesting that Rudy went out of his way to distance himself from the whole cast as season 4 continued on (after oystergate specifically, I dunno about before then since most BTS has been from after). In interviews, he also seems to have had no issues with how JJ's storyline ended and it doesn't sit right with me. I know Elaine has been controlling over him & because of that he asked to tone down Jiara scenes in season 4 specifically. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me. I would say, because of how bad fan reactions have been to JJ's death, the ending could change. It did after season 1 because Jiara wasn't even supposed to be a thing until fans pushed for it. A lot of ppl are pushing for JJ to come back, so it'll be interesting to see if they do that.
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight But I will say , whatever the ending is to the show , It will never be how I imagined the perfect ending . It won’t be perfect if not all 6 pouges are home together:(
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flowersandlight

LUCY WAKE UP A TSITP SCENE OF TAYLOR AND HER MOM AND BELLY GOT LEAKED ON TIKTOK LAST NIGHT

lucyc34466

@flowersandlight ohh ur right it could be Boston either . I kind of thought Taylor’s trip to Boston would be  spontaneous like she just be fed up and get in her little car and speed off to Boston but again who knows ! Hopefully since Jenny may have seen it she might drop a few little promo bits :) ( probably not but a girl can dream ) it’s still on insta,  lolaflorals posted it 
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@lucyc34466 honestly I’m not sure what she was talking about, but my guess is probably Boston since she visits Jeremiah and Steven to go off on Jere for not being there to help belly, but i guess we’ll see! yeah i’m pretty sure it was jenny or someone from crew that said that bc someone said jenny saw it
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight her tik tok has been taken down ! Someone asked about in the comments and she replied saying she was told to delete it 
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DO YOU WATCH XO KITTY

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@lucyc34466 so sorry, thought i had responded, but Ernie and cleveland are supposed to be the same person!
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight ur sister is team jere ?? Girl im so sorry my condolences. My sisters team Conrad thankfully but I probably would have gone on a rant and force her to convert if she was team Jere lol 
            Yess I love the extras ! I wish they were a little bit longer though but I can’t complain cus they’re such a nice touch to show and it shows how much care Jenny has for the fans , hopefully we’ll get them in s3 as well !
            Awh that’s sad to hear , I really liked Ernie . This question just came to me , is there any info on the 4th of July ? Conrad mentioned meeting up for it like 3 times in the last few eps lol but I’m pretty sure in the books he doesn’t turn up ? I can’t remember 
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flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 Helppp my older sis is the EXACT same way. She's also team Jeremiah and only bc he's "cuter" even though I disagree 110% with it. Help no but those extras are so fun! I love hearing them yap about literally anything! Not sure if we're getting Ernie because I have been kind of told that Cleveland was technically that character just with a new name :( I hope we get something of actual Ernie but from what they've said I don't think so
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omg girlll i learned sm more about tsitp 3 this week. like there’s so much info… and it’s so bad for jere. like 10x worse than what we thought 

flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 Omg for real that JJ ending still upsets me. Yesss I have a lot of faith in her!!
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lucyc34466

Yes I completely agree with you ! I’m glad to hear that staylor seem to be endgame ! Heavily agree with you about wanting justice for the characters. My favourite show let me down on that one ( obx with jjs ending :( ) so hopefully my other favourite show ( Tsitp )  won’t , but I have faith Jenny will deliver as it’s very clear to me that she cares A LOT about these characters  but I guess we’ll have to wait and see !
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@lucyc34466 Yep! They get into an argument and Belly gets angry bc she wants him to stay (I think he does plan on it later then bc of how much she begs him but idk how it works with everything that happens after). 
            Honestly I have no idea what it'll be. A lot of people think season 4 will be staylor based, but that personally doesn't make sense to me. As much as I love Steven & Tay & sean & rain, it doesn't really add up. I just don't know if there's enough substance to have them as the entire main focus with nothing else since Belly and Con will have already gotten back together you know? I mean, don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see more of them, but there needs to be more than just them if the series is going to be successful or get more than one season in my opinion. I personally wouldn't mind a young Laurel and Susannah or even a TSITP spinoff in a few years where all the kids are adults and have kids of their own! I guess we'll see though. It probably depends a lot on how this season ends and if there's a cliff hanger which makes me really nervous. Like I've heard that staylor is endgame no matter what, and from my general understanding of the knowledge that has been shared with me, it seems as though Steven and Tay are completely fine by the end of season 3... but I just don't know. You never know what Jenny's going to do, and it honestly scares me so much. I really want her to do these characters justice and not regress back into their season 1 patterns.
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight Hi girl , ik obx season 4 came out a while ago buttt what are your ops ? I actually think this season was really good ( minus the ending obvi) 
          There’s so much drama circulating again about rudy and Maddie and honestly idrk what to believe. Do you think JJ being killed off was Rudy/elaines choice or do u think it was actually the writers plan all along ? . I do remember I interview from ages ago ( before s3 I think, I’m not fully sure) where the pate bros said they already know how the show will end so that’s why I’m a bit confused . Lmk ur thoughts ! 
          ALSO are u going to watch s5 ? I think a lot of diehard JJ fans are not cuz the show would be ‘ boring “ without him . I defo will be still watching as I want to see the pouges get their revenge and I wanna see Jarahs baby :) 

flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 As angry and heartbroken as I am for what directions the writers decided to go with JJ's character in season 4, I'd love to say I'd be able to walk away from the show, but I just can't. I'm way too invested in what's going to happen. I LOVE JJ, and I can't fathom what it will be like without him. I don't even want to because I've already had nightmares about it. But I defo do not think it will be boring. If anything, it'll be the opposite. I wish it hadn't taken such a dark turn, but there's no going back unless they choose to revive JJ with the blue crown in s5 which is still a possibility (as long as Rudy would be willing to come back and his gf doesn't get in the way again smh). But either way, I am SO SO SO excited for Kie's revenge. They said it'll mainly be her season (plus with Cleo background) and those are my girls. I love Sarah too, of course, but I'm a die hard Kiara/Madison fan forever. As long as they don't eff up the whole season by making her and Rafe endgame, I'll be alright. But I'm scared that'll happen because Jonas is the only writer not on board with Riara. Even Madison and Drew have said they don't like the idea of it at all-- especially Madison. She hates it sooo much. And YES!!! I want to see Jarah's baby so bad. I doubt Sarah will have given birth by next season though since they'll pick up where s4 left off. Maybe it'll be a flash forward near the end. I just hope the writers do their characters justice, because in my opinion, they didn't do JJ justice at all with how he died, etc. I could rant about it for days lol. Also forgot to mention before, it's been revealed that several different endings were filmed-- some with JJ dying in other ways, some with him surviving, and even something about JJ proposing to Kie. I think it was indefinitely Rudy's decision to leave in the end (heavily influenced by Elaine), not the writers, but they just don't want to portray him as a bad person because they're very respectable people.
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flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 OMG I have sooo many things to say about the whole lot of this so this might be a super long paragraph/s hahaha. I've known about the Maddie/Rudy/Elaine/Mariah drama for quite some time, so I have some very strong opinions about that lol. It was definitely not Elaine's choice given the fact that she was fired from the show early during season 4. I don't know the direct details of that, but the Jpates (Josh & Jonas, the brothers & writers/creators of the show) had some issues with her & so did Lilah (Jonas's daughter who is in the show-- the one to talk to them about Scooter's body & finds the dead guy in the dunes in season 4) because Lilah used to consider Elaine like an older sister & now they don't even follow each other on Instagram. Adding onto/from that, Elaine was always kind of an issue on set because she was always jealous of Maddie a little bit, but then oystergate happened which was when everyone found out Rudy was leaving/JJ was dying. 
                I do think it was definitely a mix of the Jpates & Rudy with why JJ died because Jpates are claiming it's been in the plans since season 1-- take that with a grain of salt though because they could totally be saying that to cover their butts. I also find it interesting that Rudy went out of his way to distance himself from the whole cast as season 4 continued on (after oystergate specifically, I dunno about before then since most BTS has been from after). In interviews, he also seems to have had no issues with how JJ's storyline ended and it doesn't sit right with me. I know Elaine has been controlling over him & because of that he asked to tone down Jiara scenes in season 4 specifically. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me. I would say, because of how bad fan reactions have been to JJ's death, the ending could change. It did after season 1 because Jiara wasn't even supposed to be a thing until fans pushed for it. A lot of ppl are pushing for JJ to come back, so it'll be interesting to see if they do that.
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight But I will say , whatever the ending is to the show , It will never be how I imagined the perfect ending . It won’t be perfect if not all 6 pouges are home together:(
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