lucyc34466

@flowersandlight Hi girl , ik obx season 4 came out a while ago buttt what are your ops ? I actually think this season was really good ( minus the ending obvi) 
          	There’s so much drama circulating again about rudy and Maddie and honestly idrk what to believe. Do you think JJ being killed off was Rudy/elaines choice or do u think it was actually the writers plan all along ? . I do remember I interview from ages ago ( before s3 I think, I’m not fully sure) where the pate bros said they already know how the show will end so that’s why I’m a bit confused . Lmk ur thoughts ! 
          	ALSO are u going to watch s5 ? I think a lot of diehard JJ fans are not cuz the show would be ‘ boring “ without him . I defo will be still watching as I want to see the pouges get their revenge and I wanna see Jarahs baby :)

flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 As angry and heartbroken as I am for what directions the writers decided to go with JJ's character in season 4, I'd love to say I'd be able to walk away from the show, but I just can't. I'm way too invested in what's going to happen. I LOVE JJ, and I can't fathom what it will be like without him. I don't even want to because I've already had nightmares about it. But I defo do not think it will be boring. If anything, it'll be the opposite. I wish it hadn't taken such a dark turn, but there's no going back unless they choose to revive JJ with the blue crown in s5 which is still a possibility (as long as Rudy would be willing to come back and his gf doesn't get in the way again smh). But either way, I am SO SO SO excited for Kie's revenge. They said it'll mainly be her season (plus with Cleo background) and those are my girls. I love Sarah too, of course, but I'm a die hard Kiara/Madison fan forever. As long as they don't eff up the whole season by making her and Rafe endgame, I'll be alright. But I'm scared that'll happen because Jonas is the only writer not on board with Riara. Even Madison and Drew have said they don't like the idea of it at all-- especially Madison. She hates it sooo much. And YES!!! I want to see Jarah's baby so bad. I doubt Sarah will have given birth by next season though since they'll pick up where s4 left off. Maybe it'll be a flash forward near the end. I just hope the writers do their characters justice, because in my opinion, they didn't do JJ justice at all with how he died, etc. I could rant about it for days lol. Also forgot to mention before, it's been revealed that several different endings were filmed-- some with JJ dying in other ways, some with him surviving, and even something about JJ proposing to Kie. I think it was indefinitely Rudy's decision to leave in the end (heavily influenced by Elaine), not the writers, but they just don't want to portray him as a bad person because they're very respectable people.
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flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 OMG I have sooo many things to say about the whole lot of this so this might be a super long paragraph/s hahaha. I've known about the Maddie/Rudy/Elaine/Mariah drama for quite some time, so I have some very strong opinions about that lol. It was definitely not Elaine's choice given the fact that she was fired from the show early during season 4. I don't know the direct details of that, but the Jpates (Josh & Jonas, the brothers & writers/creators of the show) had some issues with her & so did Lilah (Jonas's daughter who is in the show-- the one to talk to them about Scooter's body & finds the dead guy in the dunes in season 4) because Lilah used to consider Elaine like an older sister & now they don't even follow each other on Instagram. Adding onto/from that, Elaine was always kind of an issue on set because she was always jealous of Maddie a little bit, but then oystergate happened which was when everyone found out Rudy was leaving/JJ was dying. 
          	      I do think it was definitely a mix of the Jpates & Rudy with why JJ died because Jpates are claiming it's been in the plans since season 1-- take that with a grain of salt though because they could totally be saying that to cover their butts. I also find it interesting that Rudy went out of his way to distance himself from the whole cast as season 4 continued on (after oystergate specifically, I dunno about before then since most BTS has been from after). In interviews, he also seems to have had no issues with how JJ's storyline ended and it doesn't sit right with me. I know Elaine has been controlling over him & because of that he asked to tone down Jiara scenes in season 4 specifically. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me. I would say, because of how bad fan reactions have been to JJ's death, the ending could change. It did after season 1 because Jiara wasn't even supposed to be a thing until fans pushed for it. A lot of ppl are pushing for JJ to come back, so it'll be interesting to see if they do that.
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight But I will say , whatever the ending is to the show , It will never be how I imagined the perfect ending . It won’t be perfect if not all 6 pouges are home together:(
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight Hi girl , ik obx season 4 came out a while ago buttt what are your ops ? I actually think this season was really good ( minus the ending obvi) 
          There’s so much drama circulating again about rudy and Maddie and honestly idrk what to believe. Do you think JJ being killed off was Rudy/elaines choice or do u think it was actually the writers plan all along ? . I do remember I interview from ages ago ( before s3 I think, I’m not fully sure) where the pate bros said they already know how the show will end so that’s why I’m a bit confused . Lmk ur thoughts ! 
          ALSO are u going to watch s5 ? I think a lot of diehard JJ fans are not cuz the show would be ‘ boring “ without him . I defo will be still watching as I want to see the pouges get their revenge and I wanna see Jarahs baby :)

flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 As angry and heartbroken as I am for what directions the writers decided to go with JJ's character in season 4, I'd love to say I'd be able to walk away from the show, but I just can't. I'm way too invested in what's going to happen. I LOVE JJ, and I can't fathom what it will be like without him. I don't even want to because I've already had nightmares about it. But I defo do not think it will be boring. If anything, it'll be the opposite. I wish it hadn't taken such a dark turn, but there's no going back unless they choose to revive JJ with the blue crown in s5 which is still a possibility (as long as Rudy would be willing to come back and his gf doesn't get in the way again smh). But either way, I am SO SO SO excited for Kie's revenge. They said it'll mainly be her season (plus with Cleo background) and those are my girls. I love Sarah too, of course, but I'm a die hard Kiara/Madison fan forever. As long as they don't eff up the whole season by making her and Rafe endgame, I'll be alright. But I'm scared that'll happen because Jonas is the only writer not on board with Riara. Even Madison and Drew have said they don't like the idea of it at all-- especially Madison. She hates it sooo much. And YES!!! I want to see Jarah's baby so bad. I doubt Sarah will have given birth by next season though since they'll pick up where s4 left off. Maybe it'll be a flash forward near the end. I just hope the writers do their characters justice, because in my opinion, they didn't do JJ justice at all with how he died, etc. I could rant about it for days lol. Also forgot to mention before, it's been revealed that several different endings were filmed-- some with JJ dying in other ways, some with him surviving, and even something about JJ proposing to Kie. I think it was indefinitely Rudy's decision to leave in the end (heavily influenced by Elaine), not the writers, but they just don't want to portray him as a bad person because they're very respectable people.
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flowersandlight

@lucyc34466 OMG I have sooo many things to say about the whole lot of this so this might be a super long paragraph/s hahaha. I've known about the Maddie/Rudy/Elaine/Mariah drama for quite some time, so I have some very strong opinions about that lol. It was definitely not Elaine's choice given the fact that she was fired from the show early during season 4. I don't know the direct details of that, but the Jpates (Josh & Jonas, the brothers & writers/creators of the show) had some issues with her & so did Lilah (Jonas's daughter who is in the show-- the one to talk to them about Scooter's body & finds the dead guy in the dunes in season 4) because Lilah used to consider Elaine like an older sister & now they don't even follow each other on Instagram. Adding onto/from that, Elaine was always kind of an issue on set because she was always jealous of Maddie a little bit, but then oystergate happened which was when everyone found out Rudy was leaving/JJ was dying. 
                I do think it was definitely a mix of the Jpates & Rudy with why JJ died because Jpates are claiming it's been in the plans since season 1-- take that with a grain of salt though because they could totally be saying that to cover their butts. I also find it interesting that Rudy went out of his way to distance himself from the whole cast as season 4 continued on (after oystergate specifically, I dunno about before then since most BTS has been from after). In interviews, he also seems to have had no issues with how JJ's storyline ended and it doesn't sit right with me. I know Elaine has been controlling over him & because of that he asked to tone down Jiara scenes in season 4 specifically. Kind of ridiculous if you ask me. I would say, because of how bad fan reactions have been to JJ's death, the ending could change. It did after season 1 because Jiara wasn't even supposed to be a thing until fans pushed for it. A lot of ppl are pushing for JJ to come back, so it'll be interesting to see if they do that.
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lucyc34466

@flowersandlight But I will say , whatever the ending is to the show , It will never be how I imagined the perfect ending . It won’t be perfect if not all 6 pouges are home together:(
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