thaknoh

I’ve seen several people using Dovepaw freaking out over the prophecy as proof that she’s whiny, but she isn’t whiny for being upset about something that alienates her from her clanmates. Dovepaw is only one moon out of the nursery and already has more responsibility on her shoulders than a senior warrior, and that comes along with the added factor that the safety of the clans now depends on her, which is a lot to handle for a literal child. Jayfeather and Lionblaze grew up not knowing about the prophecy for a while, which gave them plenty of time to develop a life outside of it, which is time that Dovepaw didn’t have. Additionally, because they assumed that Hollyleaf was the third, they didn’t have to hide the prophecy from each other. Dovepaw, on the other hand, does not get that luxury, because Ivypaw isn’t a part of the prophecy, despite how much Dovepaw says she is, Dovepaw can’t tell Ivypaw about the prophecy, making the two drift apart. 
          	
          	The prophecy was something that Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Dovepaw have no say in, but because of the mistake with Hollyleaf, the prophecy brought the original three closer together, and they liked having that much responsibility, especially Jayfeather and Hollyleaf, who wanted to be respected and viewed as important to their clan. The prophecy made them entitled as apprentices because they already wanted respect and power, and that was being seemingly handed to them on a silver platter. The prophecy wasn’t as kind with Dovepaw, however, who had a sister that wasn’t a part of the prophecy, and therefore, it drove the two apart, trapping Dovepaw in a bad situation. She wasn’t entitled, or selfish, because she just wanted to be normal. She hates the prophecy, she hates her powers, and she doesn’t want power in her clan, she just wants to be friends with her sister and live a normal life.

ALLIGAT0R-B0Y

@thaknoh Ok but like- who asked /lh
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thaknoh

It’s unfair to call Dovepaw whiny for being shoved into a destiny she didn’t want. Dovepaw has every right to complain about it. It’s unfair to get angry at Dovepaw for complaining about the prophecy but not Jayfeather or Lionblaze, who hate the prophecy for basically the same reasons. After Hollyleaf died, Lionblaze and Jayfeather stopped seeing how good the prophecy was for them, instead considering it a burden. Even Jayfeather blames the prophecy for Hollyleaf’s death, showing how much he hates it. But you don’t see people calling Lionblaze or Jayfeather whiny for hating the prophecy, so why call Dovepaw whiny? Because she makes her hatred more obvious? Again, Dovepaw is only 7 moons old at this point. She’s a child who is being forced into a destiny she didn’t want, and she has absolutely no agency in anything regarding the prophecy. How can you blame Dovepaw for being upset about this? Her being upset and complaining is entirely justified.
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thaknoh

I’ve seen several people using Dovepaw freaking out over the prophecy as proof that she’s whiny, but she isn’t whiny for being upset about something that alienates her from her clanmates. Dovepaw is only one moon out of the nursery and already has more responsibility on her shoulders than a senior warrior, and that comes along with the added factor that the safety of the clans now depends on her, which is a lot to handle for a literal child. Jayfeather and Lionblaze grew up not knowing about the prophecy for a while, which gave them plenty of time to develop a life outside of it, which is time that Dovepaw didn’t have. Additionally, because they assumed that Hollyleaf was the third, they didn’t have to hide the prophecy from each other. Dovepaw, on the other hand, does not get that luxury, because Ivypaw isn’t a part of the prophecy, despite how much Dovepaw says she is, Dovepaw can’t tell Ivypaw about the prophecy, making the two drift apart. 
          
          The prophecy was something that Jayfeather, Lionblaze, and Dovepaw have no say in, but because of the mistake with Hollyleaf, the prophecy brought the original three closer together, and they liked having that much responsibility, especially Jayfeather and Hollyleaf, who wanted to be respected and viewed as important to their clan. The prophecy made them entitled as apprentices because they already wanted respect and power, and that was being seemingly handed to them on a silver platter. The prophecy wasn’t as kind with Dovepaw, however, who had a sister that wasn’t a part of the prophecy, and therefore, it drove the two apart, trapping Dovepaw in a bad situation. She wasn’t entitled, or selfish, because she just wanted to be normal. She hates the prophecy, she hates her powers, and she doesn’t want power in her clan, she just wants to be friends with her sister and live a normal life.

ALLIGAT0R-B0Y

@thaknoh Ok but like- who asked /lh
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thaknoh

It’s unfair to call Dovepaw whiny for being shoved into a destiny she didn’t want. Dovepaw has every right to complain about it. It’s unfair to get angry at Dovepaw for complaining about the prophecy but not Jayfeather or Lionblaze, who hate the prophecy for basically the same reasons. After Hollyleaf died, Lionblaze and Jayfeather stopped seeing how good the prophecy was for them, instead considering it a burden. Even Jayfeather blames the prophecy for Hollyleaf’s death, showing how much he hates it. But you don’t see people calling Lionblaze or Jayfeather whiny for hating the prophecy, so why call Dovepaw whiny? Because she makes her hatred more obvious? Again, Dovepaw is only 7 moons old at this point. She’s a child who is being forced into a destiny she didn’t want, and she has absolutely no agency in anything regarding the prophecy. How can you blame Dovepaw for being upset about this? Her being upset and complaining is entirely justified.
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thaknoh

okay but I can't be the only one who thinks Tigerheart being "mates" with Dovewing while she was an apprentice was weird and kinda creepy

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@anonymousnether I do too. Atleast Dustpelt waited until Ferncloud was a warrior to become her mate. That's why i make Tigerheart and his siblings still apprentices in my AU.
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thaknoh

I really like Dovewing. She's so kind, sympathetic, supportive, and forgiving, and even though she does holster some mary-sue traits (having a power, having a love triangle, etc) she equally balances out her strengths with her flaws. She's stubborn, rather stupid, whiney (to an extent), and a bit arrogant, but honestly that just makes me love her more. I would love to have Dovewing as a friend, and I can relate to her on so many levels. I can relate to Dovewing having to deal with an abusive family member, I can relate to her struggles with fitting in and being "normal," I can relate to her feeling like she can't live up to society's expectations of her, I can relate to her feeling like an outcast in her own clan, etc.
          
          Dovewing is just such a relatable and good character (and person) in my eyes, and I'm glad she found a happy home in ShadowClan and is being treated better.

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@anonymousnether Facts. I love her a lot.
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thaknoh

She's flawed, charming, charismatic, enthusiastic, and has a strong sense of heroism, and I can respect that.
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thaknoh

If I could rewrite warriors I would make Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight more of the badass power couple they could have been rather than two angry cats who barely trust eachother enough to stay a couple for at least an entire arc.

thaknoh

I was casually scrolling through the comment section of a Mapleshade-related video and stumbled across an argument about whether Frecklewish was in the right to not help Mapleshade while She was crossing the river. Now, I want to clarify that Frecklewish DID NOT stay long enough to see Mapleshade's kits die. People were saying that Frecklewish WAS there and chose not to help them
          
          now, that's not true. but what really inspired me to talk about this was when someone said "Fireheart jumped into the gorge to save Bluestar, and he couldn't swim. Why wouldn't Frecklewish?" Or something like that
          
          First off, Fireheart's relationship with Bluestar was WAY different than Frecklewish's relationship with Mapleshade. Fireheart had looked up to and deeply respected Bluestar from the moment he became Firepaw. She was his mentor and good friend, something that is completely different from Frecklewish's relationship with Mapleshade. Mapleshade and Frecklewish were never that close, Frecklewish just wanted to help Mapleshade raise her kits because Mapleshade made her think that they were Frecklewish's brother's kits, and because Mapleshade was raising them alone.
          
          After the truth came out, Frecklewish immediately disowned the kits and cut ties with Mapleshade, feeling used and betrayed. Did Fireheart ever feel that way towards Bluestar? no. no he didn't.
          
          You can't say that Frecklewish would risk her own life to help this woman who manipulated and lied to her. You can't use Fireheart trying to save Bluestar, his mentor, leader, friend and someone who he looked up to as an excuse to say that Frecklewish had no right to not help someone as horrible as Karenshade.

thaknoh

The whole Hawkfrost situation is the only situation where I agree with Brambleclaw's actions. He had every right to trust and visit his brother, and it's not Brambleclaw's fault that Hawkfrost manipulated him.

thaknoh

It irritates me when people start bashing Brambleclaw because of the Hawkfrost situation, acting like Squirrelflight was completely in the right while Brambleclaw was being stupid and unreasonable.
          
          Brambleclaw is completely justified in wanting to spend time with his only brother. Tawnypelt is in a different clan and the two almost never talk to each other, and while Goldenflower is in ThunderClan, she barely interacts with him. Imagine how Brambleclaw felt when he met a cat who was not only related to him but also wanted to spend time with him.
          
          Personally, I think it's unfair of Squirrelflight to try to separate Brambleclaw and Hawkfrost. She literally got angry at Brambleclaw and said "why are you hanging out with him, you know he can't be trusted." And got all salty when Brambleclaw trusted Hawkfrost.
          
          Of course Brambleclaw is gonna trust his brother. And Brambleclaw isn't really at fault for thinking Squirrelflight hates Hawkfrost because of who his dad is. His entire life, Brambleclaw had been judged and deemed untrustworthy because Tigerstar was his dad. Of course he's gonna be paranoid about it, and it makes sense for him to jump to conclusions.
          
          Sure, Hawkfrost was a bad cat, but do you really expect Brambleclaw to immediately pick up on that? Brambleclaw was being manipulated by Hawkfrost. He trusted Hawkfrost and enjoyed his company, and it makes sense that Brambleclaw would train in the dark forest to get to know Hawkfrost better, along with doubting his brother's scheming. And don't get me wrong, he wasn't justified in being toxic towards Squirrelflight over it, but I can understand his whole view on the Hawkfrost situation

thaknoh

Okay, I really hate Lionblaze.
          
          In Po3, Lionpaw is really boring. He has no personality, and he really only shows any glimpses of personality when he's angry. Reading his chapters was exhausting, and the erins built most of his character off of his powers alone.
          
          Compare him to Jayfeather. Jayfeather was also apart of the prophecy, and a bit of his character was built off his powers, but unlike Lionblaze, Jayfeather has a clear personality; he is shown to be short-tempered and angsty, while also being smart, brave, and ready to challenge StarClan when he feels they've done something dumb. Even his powers give him a sense of entitlement that does slowly fade as he grows. This is something that can't be said about Lionblaze.
          
          The only reason I found Lionblaze- Lionpaw, in particular- as an even somewhat interesting character was his relationships with other characters.
          His bitter relationships with Heathertail, Ashfur, Breezepelt, and Berrynose are interesting, but half of these are hardly built upon. His rivalry with Berrynose is practically non-existent, and while there is a clear rivalry of sorts with Breezepelt, it's moreso Breezepelt being a toxic little brat and Lionblaze just kinda being there.
          
          Not to mention that his break-up with Heatherpaw and the aftermath was nothing short of irritating. Like, Heatherpaw already had all that guilt on her shoulders that came from lying to her clanmates and breaking the code, along with the sting of rejection when Lionpaw told her that their meetings had to stop. But when Lionpaw breaks up with Heatherpaw, he started hating her and feeling bitter towards her as though she was the one who broke things off, despite that being his decision, and literally had dreams about KILLING HER even though she had done nothing to wrong him and had no intention of hurting him.

thaknoh

Don't even get me started on Lionblaze in Omen of the Stars.
            
            All character he might have had in Po3, any ounce of enjoyability this over-powered piece of cardboard might have somehow built up, is completely wiped out and Lionblaze became a semi-controlling jerk whose entire life revolves around the prophecy and trying to force Dovepaw into it.
            
            Speaking of Dovepaw, I can't remember any point in the books where Dovepaw has had a genuine training session. The moment she shows any ounce of evidence that she's the third cat, Lionblaze and Jayfeather drag her out of camp and try to force her into a destiny she is clearly uncomfortable with and act like she's being unreasonable when she freaks out about having more responsibility than a senior warrior one moon out of the nursery. Lionblaze, and by extension Jayfeather, really don't care about Dovepaw's feelings towards the prophecy. They practically isolated her from her clanmates and they severed her close bond with Ivypaw, constantly telling her to keep secrets from the one cat she trusts the most.
            
            Also, it's so irritating that Lionblaze intentionally decides to just forget everything that Squirrelflight did for him just because she lied about his parents to keep him safe. "Omg I can't believe that this cat risked her reputation and her relationships just to keep me safe and took care of me for so long how dare she" like... come on dude.
            
            And when the battle comes around, Lionblaze just loses all power? Breezepelt easily overpowers him, which is just pathetic, since Lionblaze is supposed to be this all-powerful cat. He has to be SAVED by Crowfeather, which, while an emotional moment for Breeze and Crow, just makes Lionblaze seem weak for a cat who "can't be beaten in battle."
            
            And when he loses his powers, he also loses all his personality. It's like his entire character was drained.
            
            That's all, Lionblaze is boring and rude. Tennelle's rewrite did better.
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Ashfur and Lionblaze have a toxic mentor-apprentice relationship, which is rare for Warriors standards, but it's mainly built upon Ashfur wanting him dead and Lionblaze being too stupid most of the time to know that Ashfur wants him dead. Like, it's so aggravating that Lionblaze is being physically assaulted by his mentor every time they train but Lionblaze thinks nothing of it and doesn't bother even trying to talk to anyone about his overly-aggressive mentor, nor does anyone who sees Ashfur's behavior try to confront Ashfur about it or even tell Firestar.
            
            Also, a bit off-topic, but what was Firestar's thought process when giving mentors to apprentices? Like, he sees Ashfur being cold and passive-aggressive towards Squirrelflight. He even acknowledges that Ashfur would be upset when Squirrelflight was considering choosing Brambleclaw. "This warrior has hated Squirrelflight for moons and clearly wants revenge on her. Therefore, I will make him mentor her son. What could go wrong?" Like it's so dumb.
            
            Anyways, Lionblaze.
            
            I almost forgot that Lionblaze trained in the dark forest. Surprising, since the other half of his character is built off this. His training in the dark forest was... bad. Honestly, having Tigerstar come back for another arc to do bad stuff is just exhausting. Like, c'mon erins, I understand he was an important villain but can he not just come into the protagonist's dreams to train them for three arcs after he dies? Tigerstar training Brambleclaw made sense because Brambleclaw was his son, but why Lionblaze? We are shown later that Tigerstar knew Lionblaze wasn't related to him, so I really don't understand why Tigerstar would bother training him. It kinda made sense, but it still doesn't hold much water.
            I guess it could be because Lionblaze had god powers and couldn't be beaten in battle but that means most of his life in Po3 is because he has powers and that's even more upsetting.
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thaknoh

I love fanon Ivypool but I absolutely hate canon Ivypool

thaknoh

@anonymousnether actually, a lot of characters are just better in fanon. Crowfeather, Thistleclaw, and Squirrelflight are good examples. They've all done bad things, Crowfeather and Thistleclaw especially, but the fandom tends to brush that side and act like they're either completely innocent and in the right or that they have been wronged to a horrible extent
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