@duable and that’s precisely the main reason I don’t like her, if it’d been a grown man having a weird fling with a barely 18 yr old girl ppl would’ve made it a bigger deal but bc it was billy and they’re both conventionally attractive no one bats an eye. that and the fact that she’s just as absent of a parent as ted, only difference is she’s more emotionally present than him. and it’s been proven time and time again throughout the show but no one talks abt it, instead she gets praise bc she defended holly against the demogorgan?? (bare minimum for a mother to do btw) it’s been heavily implied throughout the show that the wheeler parents are both very neglectful and if that weren’t true they wouldn’t have gone all these seasons with no clue what the hell is going on in their kids lives. the fact that they were able to keep everything a secret for this long so easily without them even questioning anything at all says a lot abt the wheeler’s parenting skills but whatever bc karen’s a hot milf let’s just ignore it and forget that she was drunk while defending holly who she wasn’t even listening to at first or that she almost had an affair with someone who was nearly the same age as her own daughter bc that’s definitely not weird…