Tsaysshesays

@slcwatt55 @Nancy_818
          	Greetings from the void I disappeared into—and may continue to dwell in until mid-March.
          	
          	S, I skimmed through some of the messages before typing this, and you asked if I was planning to give up reading for Ramadan and to let you know so you wouldn’t worry. I’m sorry if my absence caused you distress. I do tend to fall off the face of the earth during Ramadan, but, I had planned to keep in touch and maybe read here and there if possible.
          	
          	But my complete absence wasn’t really b/c of Ramadan—it was b/c of Ori’s treatment. I was absolutely stressed and burned out to the point that I couldn’t even bring myself to check WP or any other platform. It was a constant battle every day, watching her go from good, to bad, to worse.
          	
          	And with extreme difficulty, I’m letting you know that she passed away last night, wrapped in her favourite red blanket, in my mom’s arms. I think you also asked how old she was. Ori was just 2.5 years old.
          	
          	She was barely 20 days old when she was abandoned outside my building—a tiny little thing who had cried herself hoarse all day for her mom until MY mom finally found her at around 9:30 pm on 9/25/25. And she breathed her last at 9:30 pm as well. I spent that first night awake, feeding her milk diluted with water because we didn’t have kitten formula and no outlets were delivering that late. And in her last days, too, I stayed up again, force-feeding her.
          	
          	When she first came to us, her mewl made no sound because she had cried herself hoarse. It took a good three months for her to start meowing again, in the tiniest little voice. For the most part, she was a quiet little thing—with a solid temper. In her last days, she would stand at the door waiting to be let out(she wanted to go away and die in solitary,) and meow in her loudest voice. A painful, full circle.
          	
          	Thank you both for rooting for Ori and for asking for updates, even though I only just saw those messages. I’m sorry I wasn’t better about keeping you up to date.
          	
          	

Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 Heartbroken about Ori
          	  
          	  I read your message with great sadness that Ori is no longer with you. You know how I grieve the loss of a beloved furry family member. I hope Ori is joyfully healthy with my kittens over the rainbow bridge. Yet in the midst of this sadness, I am so very grateful she got to spend the last 2 1/2 years knowing the love, warmth, protection, and shelter from you and from your mother. How grateful I am that you found her and rescued her and cared for her throughout this time. Cats bring great joy, and in return, I hope she deeply felt that your caring was pure and loving. I’m very sorry for your loss, but I’m also grateful for the times you all had together. Comfort and peace to you, my friend, and to your mother too. <3
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@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818 
          	  
          	  IN TRIBUTE TO ORI
          	  
          	          Oh, my dear friend, T -- I am so, so sorry for your loss. Ori sounded like such a wonderful family member, and I shed tears reading your recount of her coming into your life, and leaving. 
          	            I have no words that will mend your grief; I wish I did. But, I can say, Ori sounds like she had a hard start in life, and -- while her life was short -- it was extended 2.5 years in a place to call "home", with humans to call "family", and the connectivity to know "love." And, for that, I'm so glad she came into your lives and you came into hers so you could give her these 2.5 years. 
          	             Take care, my friend, in this time of grief. I am so glad she was with you when she left.
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slcwatt55

@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818   -- FOR T'S RETURN
          
          No rush or pressure whatsoever, T, but in SS Rayne's "If We Must be Monsters" -- the husband Dario (believing his wife dead after she was kidnapped 2 years ago) was just revealed as always having worn his wife's wedding band on his necklace. It is what you/I had hoped David from 7DIM/ITA would have done for Emily -- but never bothered to do so. Some books get it right, some - not so much. Until your return to WP, my friend, I hope you're well and happy.

Wendy-578

          In the After .. you were right I promised I would tell you and here I am. 
          lol 
          
          Hello @slcwatt55 @tsaysshesays @nancy_818 
          
          I’lll make this short and sweet L.L Paris lost me. On the one ā€œDavid chaperā€  last a few chapters back the one where he met with Ava and found out about the pregnancy. He broke me on that one because that chapter was my final nail in the David coffin where I believe he truly would never would have stopped the affair. 
          
          Here he is supposedly madly in love Emily and he showed Ava too much concern and if he was ever going to step up this is where he needed to do it while he was blunt. I wanted him to be almost cruel I wanted him not to handle her with kid gloves.. I guess  I wanted  him to be a dick to her. 
          
          
          I am also not really liking how L.L  is not updating this on more of schedule seeing how it’s already written. To me with her doing this it’s not that life is getting in the way she is coming off like she is getting to big for britches.. please excuse my very American term. 
          
          That’s all happy reading. 
          
          P.s I see you on Sam and Tallulah and love that story and I have already forgiven Sam 

Nancy_818

@Wendy-578 @slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays Re ITA
            
            Wendy, you are so spot-on with everything!
            
            I’m clinging to this by my fingernails hoping for some shred of mental payoff. :)
            
            YES, David is so weak and everyone does do his dirty work!! I mean, the guy even has his 60+ year old (adopted) mother shlep into Chicago with his kids. I cannot tell you how annoying it is to go from the suburbs to David’s location, so the fact that everyone else caters to him is 100% aggravating to me!
            
            YES! Wouldn’t it have been a gesture for him to be waiting for her arrival with the boys?! Or how much more emotional a scene to have him at his former home, dropping the boys off and realizing once again how much he’s lost?! Ruminating. Reliving the past.
            
            There’s no emotion in having him sit back in his bachelor pad making Emily do the work! I just cannot get over how deeply inconsiderate and selfish that is. 
            
            I agree, David has shown no character development… and even if the book is 60 chapters, we’re more than 33% in and he’s as selfish and weak as ever. (I’d actually say he’s Worse!).
            
            And agreed, Emily is woefully underdeveloped. She’s always been much weaker than I had expected, and chapters like this don’t help. Why does she keep giving in to him? 
            
            I agree that it would’ve been much more believable if Maggie had said she’d had an inkling but was really hoping she was wrong. That is brilliant because it would’ve aligned with the previous chapters and still given her an opportunity to reprimand him.
            
            If we only get 1 update a week, this wouldn’t be done until November! This seriously needs to move at a better pace!! 
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@Nancy_818 @slcwatt55 @tsaysshesays
            
            Hi Nancy, ITA 
             
            Yes to all this. I honestly feel we’re in another scenario of character assassination. The author told us that she was going to write a redemption arc and you know that I held out longer than probably everyone for David.. at no point Has David shown any character development whatsoever and everyone is doing his dirty work for him. He is coming off weak and spineless. I have mentioned that she was going to write a similar character to Phil from Swimming Naked. Phil actually had child with other woman in that book and managed to put her in her place. David not once has done that. 
            Now that I’m not focusing on David’s character arc I see now how under developed Emily’s character is and it makes me not even want to root for her. I feel at this point I’m reading just see if it gets better I want her prove me wrong but sadly every scrap of a chapter we get is more bullshit.. 
            The whole airport thing is ridiculous. Honestly I would of loved for him to just ignore her request and be at the airport with the boys or better yet David you’re fucking rich send a car with the boys in it to drive her home. They are teenagers. Like you said making her drive to the city is another weak man move. 
            Don’t even get me started on the update of chapters. Complete bullshit 
            There is no way Maggie didn’t have at least an idea. Was she drunk when she wrote this chapter? Did she forget that whole chapter and now makes Maggie an innocent side character. Please it would have been better if she had said I had a thought that night but ignored I was hoping o was wrong. 
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@slcwatt55 @Wendy-578 @Tsaysshesays No Place Like Home and GTH
            
            I am loving this story. It continues to both deliver in both action and emotion. The plot keeps moving forward each chapter! I love Hayden and Emerald, plus her family is amazing. I want Rick to get his, and if there’s something going on with the others, I want that exposed too. Really appreciating the characters… and the fact that the author says the book will be complete this month. No shenanigans, just solid content delivered consistently.
            
            I agree, Hayden got caught up in a toxic work environment and broke under the pressure everyone was heaping on. He’s been very aware of his flaws and mistakes, and seems sincere in wanting to make things right. He’s a good, well-written character.
            
            I’m reading Sam & Tallulah… love that we’re getting somewhere on their reconnection! They had so many communication and past hurts issues, but I’m rooting for them big-time! I forgave Oz long ago, and hope he & Freya make up soon. And her third hot story with Alyssum is good but I’m more enthralled with others. 
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@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818 ITA - Chp 24 Lawyer, Lord, & Tabloid
          
          Have you guys read this Chp?
          
          I need your feedback. 
          
          But - either my disappointment in the story at-large has negatively influenced my "read" - OR - the book has truly become kinda terrible. 
          
          My general description of the Chp - Lame. Archaic. Non-sensical. Disjointed. Emotionally undeveloped (and less than flat). Oh...and CHEESY as hell.
          
          Specifically:
          1) Emily isn't dating Julian. They haven't kissed - they haven't even discussed a romantic relationship. NOTHING. So -- why would Emily feel she can lambast Julian for recently being engaged? They haven't even gone on a true 1st date -- their interactions are platonic so far. He owes her nothing.
          2) Why would Emily -- a divorced woman -- immediately respond to photos of her having a picnic w/ a man with (the equivalent of) "my boys will see this...my mom and dad will see this"? Uh...ok. She's not allowed to eat with the opposite sex in 2026? Is this 1826? Did she show her ankle in that dress, too?
          3) Emily is upset that Julian didn't reveal he is a Lord. Here's the better question -- WHY WOULD HE HAVE?  This reads like the pre-teen harlequin novels I loved when I was 12-13yo - where Sally has no date to the Jr. Prom, meets a nice cute boy who is new to town, commits after 1 kiss and takes her to the Jr. Prom (w/ her teenage friends) -- only to find out he's really a famous rock star! (And, he'll apologize for not telling her earlier.) THAT is THIS book! What kinda sh*t is this?
          4) David - has become the divorced loser trope --  the successful guy who can't cook. (Every chp - Is this supposed to endear us?) And, his Mom calls in a panic - ~"don't look at the news" -- worried he'll flip out over photos of his ex-wife (who he has yet to fight for) having lunch with another guy. REALLY? This is the same guy who let his Jr.Assoc. suck him off in the office - so he can handle a photo of a picnic - trust.
              Is it just me -- or has this book just become...bad?

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays - 
            7DIM (A Bad Christmas Thinking About Ava) -- and Other Books
            
            Well - I read the 7DIM "teaser." Unbelievable that the one supplement to 7DIM is NOT to show a good or loving relationship between David/Emily but -- instead -- to fortify that David is willing to "risk" his family for Ava. (His word choice.) I posted a comment because I don't care anymore. And - you're right - find me a teenage boy who is willing to get into matching pajamas -- I'll pay you $100. Ridiculous.
            
            Doesn't it make you wonder what David bought Ava? I REFUSE to believe David didn't buy her something expensive, because (1) he's David, and (2) he loves Ava so much that he spends X-Mas knowing he's risking his entire family for HER. That girl is getting diamonds.
            
            As for ITA -- I'm glad to hear you think the book sucks, too. I really challenged myself -- wondering if my disappointment at-large skewed my review. So, I appreciate the validation. I wasn't joking, either, when I wrote that ITA officially reads like the pre-teen romance novels I remember loving in 7th/8th grade (where the new boy to town falls for the girl and ends up really being a rock star or famous movie star 9x/10 -- and then apologizes for not telling his teenage girlfriend earlier). Hahaha - ITA has the identical storyline as the books written for 13yos (with Julian's royal title being the secret -- also revealed via paparazzi -- and the fear of Emily being photographed eating w/ this famous person -- ohnooooooo!)
            
            As for Sam & Tallulah - I'm enjoying the book. It's sweet, and I like the tension. Boy - does she have a TON of fans. I keep discovering that I've read quite a few of her books - like I read Case & Gemma ages ago - but didn't realize it until this book. I wonder when Sam fell in love w/ Tally? I think it was during those 1st four months when it was just them - and I think they are the first people to have not wanted something from the other - other than time. 
            
            What are your thoughts on ATF?
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@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays two updates on my comments
            
            If you go to the WP book, 7DIM, there’s a sneak peek *sample* post of the new Christmas chapter. It’s as expected, Ava in his thoughts, as he plays fake good dad for the family photo. I still don’t really understand why D&A aren’t together… he was happiest with her and not faking everything. It’s not like he’s done even ONE thing to get Emily back. (Great, now the blood pressure goes back up. LOL)
            
            The official ā€œSugarā€ tagline is: ā€œEverything has a price. The mistake is thinking only one person is paying.ā€ There is no indication in that announcement but allegedly, her next story was going to be about James & Kathryn. 
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@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays bad books & good books
            
            Hey S, I have been reading ITA and have thoughts I haven’t had time to write (sorry!), but bottom line… YES, the book has just become bad. Much worse than anything I anticipated. It’s almost shocking to see the drop from where it started. For now, I’ll just state the obvious… the affair is what the author was passionate about. 
            
            On a positive note, I love seeing all your comments on Sam & Tallulah!! While that story has been widely anticipated on FB, it’s still unreal to see the comment totals on the chapters exceed 1-1.3K … that’s much higher than usual. You bring the party with you, S!!! What I love about GroveltoHEA’s stories is that there’s rarely a dip in action or quality. She’s not writing filler chapters about colanders and fruit bowls. 
            
            I noticed on FB that L announced her next book. ā€œSugar.ā€ Tagline is something about more than one person paying a price. 
            
            OH, and get this!!! When 7DIM is published, a new chapter is included covering the Christmas holiday (during which David & Ava were cheating). The chapter is titled ā€œO Come All Ye Faithfulā€ and it’s supposedly focused on David, Emily, and the boys and matching family pajamas etc. Nothing teen boys love more! And when did Emily seem like the matching PJ mom? Not seeing that at all… at this age. Anyways, it’s funny because I distinctly remember being told that ā€˜holidays and such was not what this story was about.’ We got a whole A/N reprimand about it! 
            
            Finally for now, you called it, S… why now make Emily the Other Woman?!?
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@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 WP question
          
          Is it just me and the devices, or do either of you have this problem…
          
          You see a BOOK comment on your notifications but when you try to click through to respond, you get a ā€œcomment is lostā€ notification from WattPad? 
          
          I end up having to search for each one individually to respond. That flaw and error message really annoys me!

slcwatt55

@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818  New SS Book
          
          If We Must Be Monsters
          
          This only has 2 chps — and I’m already mesmerized. It starts with a bang - with the kidnapped MFC killing her captor and breaking out, leaving a dead friend behind. From the details - she’s been gone 2 years in captivity — and her crime boss husband thinks she’s dead. It’s like the flip of R&R — just where the husband wants his wife back, I think. Nancy - you may want to tap out - as the description Is that it’s a really bloody and violent book. H/h are HEA — and there are apparently OW (more than 1) but the H never touches anyone else. I am wondering if this will be women in his life (quasi-girlfriends, maybe) when his wife shows up — and maybe they linger — that’s just a guess. Author says OG H/h are toxic, possessive, but never leave other (even though it sounds like we’ll question if they should at times). But - no infidelity. 

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshessays Cats Don't Fake Liking You
            
            I laughed at your description of your cats -- and 17years of hate - hahahaha! That's the thing w/ cats -- they won't fake it, will they?
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@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays Re: Cats 
            
            Lololol on the professional wrestler! Love that! I swear the creator of Garfield was inspired by a quintessential orange tabby. I think ours was 17 lbs. at one point, and he acted like he was half that. No size perception. He was the ā€˜follow you everywhere’ type, I was never alone. I just loved him. The last pair was a he/she. My orange tabby had launched himself at me when I’d opened the shelter cage door and he was not letting go. He was right. My son chose the other one. She was only 3-4 months old but had clearly already been abused. The shelter said of course they’ll get along, they were from the same cage. Lie. Such a lie. They didn’t get along for 17 years! :) 
            
            Pets just bring such joy. Their unconditional love is unrivaled. They break your heart when they go, simply because they hold such a special place in it.
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@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays Cats
            
            I love hearing your stories. My orange tabby was the antithesis of a gazelle - more like a professional
            Wrestler. You mentioned they didn’t get along - were they both females? I have read that female cats are quite territorial and don’t like to share their families with other females —  if not bonded. That may be more myth than truth — although I’ve heard it more than once. 
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Tsaysshesays

@slcwatt55 @Nancy_818
          Greetings from the void I disappeared into—and may continue to dwell in until mid-March.
          
          S, I skimmed through some of the messages before typing this, and you asked if I was planning to give up reading for Ramadan and to let you know so you wouldn’t worry. I’m sorry if my absence caused you distress. I do tend to fall off the face of the earth during Ramadan, but, I had planned to keep in touch and maybe read here and there if possible.
          
          But my complete absence wasn’t really b/c of Ramadan—it was b/c of Ori’s treatment. I was absolutely stressed and burned out to the point that I couldn’t even bring myself to check WP or any other platform. It was a constant battle every day, watching her go from good, to bad, to worse.
          
          And with extreme difficulty, I’m letting you know that she passed away last night, wrapped in her favourite red blanket, in my mom’s arms. I think you also asked how old she was. Ori was just 2.5 years old.
          
          She was barely 20 days old when she was abandoned outside my building—a tiny little thing who had cried herself hoarse all day for her mom until MY mom finally found her at around 9:30 pm on 9/25/25. And she breathed her last at 9:30 pm as well. I spent that first night awake, feeding her milk diluted with water because we didn’t have kitten formula and no outlets were delivering that late. And in her last days, too, I stayed up again, force-feeding her.
          
          When she first came to us, her mewl made no sound because she had cried herself hoarse. It took a good three months for her to start meowing again, in the tiniest little voice. For the most part, she was a quiet little thing—with a solid temper. In her last days, she would stand at the door waiting to be let out(she wanted to go away and die in solitary,) and meow in her loudest voice. A painful, full circle.
          
          Thank you both for rooting for Ori and for asking for updates, even though I only just saw those messages. I’m sorry I wasn’t better about keeping you up to date.
          
          

Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 Heartbroken about Ori
            
            I read your message with great sadness that Ori is no longer with you. You know how I grieve the loss of a beloved furry family member. I hope Ori is joyfully healthy with my kittens over the rainbow bridge. Yet in the midst of this sadness, I am so very grateful she got to spend the last 2 1/2 years knowing the love, warmth, protection, and shelter from you and from your mother. How grateful I am that you found her and rescued her and cared for her throughout this time. Cats bring great joy, and in return, I hope she deeply felt that your caring was pure and loving. I’m very sorry for your loss, but I’m also grateful for the times you all had together. Comfort and peace to you, my friend, and to your mother too. <3
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@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818 
            
            IN TRIBUTE TO ORI
            
                    Oh, my dear friend, T -- I am so, so sorry for your loss. Ori sounded like such a wonderful family member, and I shed tears reading your recount of her coming into your life, and leaving. 
                      I have no words that will mend your grief; I wish I did. But, I can say, Ori sounds like she had a hard start in life, and -- while her life was short -- it was extended 2.5 years in a place to call "home", with humans to call "family", and the connectivity to know "love." And, for that, I'm so glad she came into your lives and you came into hers so you could give her these 2.5 years. 
                       Take care, my friend, in this time of grief. I am so glad she was with you when she left.
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@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays ATF - Chp 21
          
          So the Author has done a good job showing a new powerful Lily -- and I'm looking forward to the confrontation w/ psycho Gigi in the next Chapter. 
                 However -- there was another reader who commented and questioned the reasoning/logic of Reed's choice to go through w/ the public humiliation of, and separation from, Lily (and not including her in the plan). I decided to respond -- in the name of providing helpful, constructive criticism to the author -- and included how excited I was when it was still a mystery about WHY Reed was doing what he was doing. But, in the vein of giving constructive criticism, I wrote that I didn't follow the logic of Reed doing this to avoid the sex tape, and I noted that I thought it would have been better if it had been a sting where Lily's or Emily's life was at risk and where Reed was FORCED to do what he did -- and forced to hide this from Lily (vs this all being a CHOICE of Reed's).  I made sure to compliment the book and author, because it's fair to talk about what a good writer Jona is, too. But - Nancy -- this is for you in particular -- I wrote that it would have worked better if Reed was forced to do this to protect life/death of Lily vs choosing to do it, as we ended up seeing. 
                 I posted this with good intentions for the author -- because I think it would be helpful for her to see how some readers feel the story lost its way. But, let me know if I overstepped and should remove. I just don't want to be rude or deflate her spirit -- as I truly posted with the idea of giving support.

Nancy_818

I understand where you’re coming from S, and I agree. The idea of force, or pressure due to their lives being at stake, was my original expectation. I’ll check out your comment at my next project switch in about an hour and let you know. 
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@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays ITA - Chp 23 - Eden picnic with Julian 
          
          Warning: it’s possible I was moody after reading the chapter. :/
          
          It kills me every time Emily thinks/says, I don’t know what to say. Really, can’t find a way to put two or more words together? First off, she’s allegedly a talented wordsmith. Second, she’s razor-sharp! So how come she’s so sharp yet never able to put clues or sentences together? 
          
          Next, a picnic on the ground (don’t care there’s a blanket) when she’s five months pregnant? And in a silk dress? Sure, that’s comfortable to sit for a long period and easy to get down and up! Good grief.
          
          Then, their long silences because they don’t know what to say… Is that supposed to show us connection? Because it shows me the opposite. Leaving all the picnic stuff behind just irritated me! 
          
          Love that paparazzi photos will make their way to David. Good. 
          
          The sentence about David renovating the home office for her without asking. It’s funny how the phrasing made it, to me, a negative instead of a positive. If she’d thought, it reminded me of when David surprised me by renovating an office, that sounds positive. ā€œWithout askingā€ sounds like he did what HE wanted and not what she would love. It’s weird that it bothered me, but it did. Even her so-called nice memories make David seem arrogant and controlling.
          
          Finally, the big reveals. One, calling Julian a Lord. Two, his engagement past or present. Pet peeve alert: his OW is named Anna. We couldn’t even try another letter in the alphabet?? And Anna and Ava… won’t that close parallel feel great to Emily?! And why did allegedly nice distraction Julian ALSO need an OW? Because of course nothing can just be simple for Emily. Gosh, her torture just never stops. 
          
          Can’t wait to hear your reactions! 

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays ITA - Chp 23 - Eden Picnic w/ Julian
            
            Well...ok. I like the story is moving on - finally - but I don't feel a connection with the story or betw Julian/Emily. Their conversation is stiff and not freely flowing (like when you really click w/ someone) OR showing that they can't keep their hands off each other (or REAL physical chemistry). So, it's just...there.
                THEN - we find out Julian has a fiancƩe or current (or VERY recent) GF - enough to tell us Julian is either cheating OR was in a relationship as he teed things up w/ Emily. (Shown by him running away when the photographer pops up.) Soooo....is the author trying to lower Emily to Ava's level - making Emily the OW - so that (she hopes) Readers will say "See, cheating happens to everyone!" Was that the plan? 
                 And - let's talk Emily who is 100% meek - her hands shake even at taking a compliment. She's been a stranger to us in these books - tbh - and what we're "meeting" is a character I don't connect with, or particularly enjoy. (I don't dislike her - but I find her flat and boring.) 
                  Speaking of boring -- so is the story. I'm bored - from the book signing, to the car, to the picnic. Quoting Shakespeare mid-lunch about garden spaces? Zzzz.
                  The only thing interesting is that Julian has made Emily the OW - and loser David will see a photo of E/J on a picnic date (and will have to read the press assuming Julian is the father). But, I bet D still hasn't even read E's current book (about him) - so do we care about D's feelings? 
                  
            To your Comments, N:
            Yes - The reference to David re-doing their study years ago "without asking" carried an undeniable implication that it was not wanted. 
            
            Some Additional Gripes:
            1) When has the world become a place where we need a "trigger warning" for "outside emotion" or "heightened emotion"? 
            2) I hate that L writes Americans who speak British-English. EVERYONE knows that Americans don't call elevators "lifts" -put in a little effort, L.
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 The new ATF is up and answers about what Reed did!

Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 Thank you, S! I hope you have a very good weekend! 
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@Nancy_818 
            
            Hi Hancy. Sorry you had the Flu -- how miserable! I'm just checking in -- and hoping you've cycled through it and are on the mend! Enjoy your weekend!
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 Thank you! <3  It turned into a stomach bug. Y u c k. But I’m positive reading ITA today will help… LOL
            
            Saw your comments on ATF and you were spot on. Someone commented that if she was THAT freaked out, she shouldn’t have recorded anything. Of course, that was a controversial thought to some other commenters. But I agree that there is NO guarantee of privacy or security. (Heck, the Tommy Lee tape get stolen from their safe… It wasn’t even digital at first!) So, even though it’s wrong, there is always the chance a digital item can be stolen and shared and recording that included risk. 
            
            I need to reread it when I’m not blurry, but it felt like when ā€œrazor-sharpā€ Emily started googling stupid stuff… Emily and Lily had been painted as these strong women. Then suddenly, they’re falling apart. I guess, with the right combination of circumstances, you can fall apart even if you’re strong but it seems odd to build up the image of their strength and then dissolve it HARD. Does that make sense?
            
            Anyway, hope you’re doing well!!
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@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 Stories of interest
          
          Hey S, in case of insomnia… I’m following two works in progress that are pretty interesting.
          
          No Place Like Home by MidnightBlueWriting has four chapters up and I just devoured them… My stomach is in knots over what’s happening. It’s really good so far. HEA OG, no cheating. Hockey player and his wife.
          
          https://www.wattpad.com/story/407827983?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=link&utm_content=story_info&wp_page=story_details&wp_uname=Nancy_818
          
          I’m also reading Oz & Freya by GroveltoHEA. It’s about an Olympic athlete who makes a terrible mistake of cheating on his wife (once) with his former girlfriend, an Olympic teammate. The author always makes the grovel fit the crime, and the H&h will end up together….. eventually. :)  The story is intriguing, especially with the Olympics going on. You know I hate cheating, but I trust the author to get me through it.
          
          Hope you’re doing well! I’m also thinking of T along with good vibes for Ori. 

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818  @Tsaysshessays Set off by Fictional Stories
            
            I’m always set off by fictional stories, N, as — too —  readers who see no redemption in the OG H — so no need to apologize — you’re preaching to the choir. But - separately - as to Emerald — I’m surprised she’s divorcing/separating for at least a year (per the author). I don’t think Hayden did anything to warrant being dumped. I am wondering if it ends up being more about her PTSD — that she sees him attacking her since the attacker was wearing his jersey. But, if it’s not for PTSD problems — I feel divorcing Hayden is too harsh, to your earlier comment. 
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slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays Cheating Pre-Game
            
            Having not read the GroveltoHEA hockey book you are talking about ( inspired by that confessing skier in the Olympics ) — I have to disagree Nancy. You have gone too soft on your romantics H’s!  No - but seriously - he cheats with an ex and blames it on pre-game ritual release? Not.a.Chance.  I wonder how many bad decisions he had to have made even to get there —- from opening a hotel room door, to emotionally cheating kind of talk, to kissing, to taking off clothes, to screwing — all in the name of sport? Naaaahhhhh. Baloney. I would never buy the ā€œbabe, it’s what me and my ex do and I forgot I was married and figured you wouldn’t mindā€ sort of defense. I’d be devastated if I were the wife — beyond, actually — and would believe he not only cheated — but is insulting my intelligence with a ridiculous story. Was he drunk, at least? 
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays Thinking thoughts
            
            So, for possibly the first time, I disagree with GroveltoHEA in how characters are acting in a book. The husband is an Olympic athlete, and for years, part of his ā€˜pregame’ ritual was sex with his girlfriend/teammate. Then he married someone else. But the night before the meet, the old gf went to his room and started their same old games. He gave in briefly but stopped himself because he knew he was totally wrong. The old gf waits till he wins gold and then tells all. In today’s chapter, the wife divorces the husband.
            
            And I am conflicted. I’m not saying a woman has to stay with someone who cheated. But this, to me, is a very unusual circumstance of having this ritual you’ve been doing for years… he stopped midway when he realized what he was doing. He had real remorse and I doubt would ever do it again. I’m thinking this is a situation where you’d try counseling first, and not rush to divorce without even trying.
            
            To me, it’s like those people who want Hayden divorced because he yelled at Emerald. People just seem so quick to sprint to divorce. Sometimes, of course, that’s the only call that can reasonably be made. But sometimes, the comments on stories make me think the world is a lot more grey than the black-and-white attitudes. The pendulum has swung so far… women used to be flat-out trapped in marriages. Now it seems like giving up is a bit too go-to for me. Somewhere in the middle would be good. I’m sure people would say I’m a cheater apologist, but I don’t think so. To me, it really depends on the circumstances, motivations, etc. Emily was right to choose divorce. I hope Lily doesn’t. I probably sound crazy, especially since I was set off by a fictional story. Am I just weird on this? You can tell me. :)
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