Tsaysshesays

@slcwatt55 @Nancy_818
          	Greetings from the void I disappeared into—and may continue to dwell in until mid-March.
          	
          	S, I skimmed through some of the messages before typing this, and you asked if I was planning to give up reading for Ramadan and to let you know so you wouldn’t worry. I’m sorry if my absence caused you distress. I do tend to fall off the face of the earth during Ramadan, but, I had planned to keep in touch and maybe read here and there if possible.
          	
          	But my complete absence wasn’t really b/c of Ramadan—it was b/c of Ori’s treatment. I was absolutely stressed and burned out to the point that I couldn’t even bring myself to check WP or any other platform. It was a constant battle every day, watching her go from good, to bad, to worse.
          	
          	And with extreme difficulty, I’m letting you know that she passed away last night, wrapped in her favourite red blanket, in my mom’s arms. I think you also asked how old she was. Ori was just 2.5 years old.
          	
          	She was barely 20 days old when she was abandoned outside my building—a tiny little thing who had cried herself hoarse all day for her mom until MY mom finally found her at around 9:30 pm on 9/25/25. And she breathed her last at 9:30 pm as well. I spent that first night awake, feeding her milk diluted with water because we didn’t have kitten formula and no outlets were delivering that late. And in her last days, too, I stayed up again, force-feeding her.
          	
          	When she first came to us, her mewl made no sound because she had cried herself hoarse. It took a good three months for her to start meowing again, in the tiniest little voice. For the most part, she was a quiet little thing—with a solid temper. In her last days, she would stand at the door waiting to be let out(she wanted to go away and die in solitary,) and meow in her loudest voice. A painful, full circle.
          	
          	Thank you both for rooting for Ori and for asking for updates, even though I only just saw those messages. I’m sorry I wasn’t better about keeping you up to date.
          	
          	

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 OMG  600 Comments were Negative on ITA? That's hysterical!
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Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 Heartbroken about Ori
          	  
          	  I read your message with great sadness that Ori is no longer with you. You know how I grieve the loss of a beloved furry family member. I hope Ori is joyfully healthy with my kittens over the rainbow bridge. Yet in the midst of this sadness, I am so very grateful she got to spend the last 2 1/2 years knowing the love, warmth, protection, and shelter from you and from your mother. How grateful I am that you found her and rescued her and cared for her throughout this time. Cats bring great joy, and in return, I hope she deeply felt that your caring was pure and loving. I’m very sorry for your loss, but I’m also grateful for the times you all had together. Comfort and peace to you, my friend, and to your mother too. <3
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slcwatt55

@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818 
          	  
          	  IN TRIBUTE TO ORI
          	  
          	          Oh, my dear friend, T -- I am so, so sorry for your loss. Ori sounded like such a wonderful family member, and I shed tears reading your recount of her coming into your life, and leaving. 
          	            I have no words that will mend your grief; I wish I did. But, I can say, Ori sounds like she had a hard start in life, and -- while her life was short -- it was extended 2.5 years in a place to call "home", with humans to call "family", and the connectivity to know "love." And, for that, I'm so glad she came into your lives and you came into hers so you could give her these 2.5 years. 
          	             Take care, my friend, in this time of grief. I am so glad she was with you when she left.
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Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 ITA …
          
          Sorry to barge onto the board, but I just read the latest drivel on ITA and I thought of you right away. 
          
          David allegedly having all these ā€œromantic memoriesā€ of Emily (they were not romantic in the slightest)… and all I kept thinking is how MUCH he needed to ever have a romantic thought about Emily in Book 1. Yet he never did.
          
          Now, his ā€œmemoriesā€ of Emily are buried in Chapter 30… the halfway point of Book 2, months after the divorce is final. This is all such a huge letdown.
          
          At three updates per month, there’s another 10 months until this story is over. Of course, in terms of being interesting, it was over long ago.

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays  --ITA, Abandoned -- and Missing T
            
            1st of All - Nancy - your points on ITA are dead-on. The book has just flatlined twice-over. David/Emily are long ago divorced, and David never groveled or tried to win Emily back, and all we see is that he just really drinks (all day long), listening to sad music, thinking about himself (constantly), and lamenting HIS losses without any real recognition of the pain he's caused his wife/kids. Not emotionally, anyway. His emotions are reserved for himself and Ava (and his/Ava's baby) -- who he brought up yet again this chapter w/ Jonah! AND...did you notice what a sh*t father he still is? His oldest son is stepping in to ask Dad if he'll go to the younger son's game -- and even David is aware that his eldest is doing this because David is too absent a presence himself. (If parents are reliable - kids don't even think to ask if they'll come to the game, ya know?) Gawd - what a lousy character -- and he's officially just as boring as Emily. 
            
            But...."Abandoned" -- now that's a different topic. And, it's your fault, Nancy...because I didn't even know what an "Alpine Divorce" was until you linked me to the newest by GroveltoHEA. (I went down a rabbit hole on Google - btw - and it's horrific how many men do this.) But, anyway, I'm HOOKED on this story. It appears from comments that this book is interwoven w/ 1 or 2 other books -- something about spies,maybe? But, I'm telling you now, I don't care if Ledger is spy-of-the-year, I will NEVER -- I mean NEVER -- forgive him for abandoning Raliegh (emotionally and physically in the middle of Alaska). I am so, so, so rooting for the OM -- and we haven't even met him! (lol) 
            
            T -- We miss you, my friend. No pressure. Come back when you're ready -- and if you're ready. Maybe you need a break. Regardless, I'm rooting for you. (I secretly hope you have fallen so in love that you just no longer have time for romance novels!) Be good to yourself, and be happy.
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays No Place Like Home Marco Polo
          
          What an intense chapter of NPLH! Emerald beating up Rick was perfect and he deserved her rage. I fear it’s not looking good at all for Hal, which saddens me because he and Hayden were just barely starting to speak again. But if Hal died a hero saving Emerald, that will change Hayden’s perspective about him too. Very intense chapter!
          
          I read most of the comments on the latest ITA chapter (28) and the comments are better than the book! Some are brilliantly brutal. I found it amusing that approx 600 of them were negative, but L only replied to the one compliment about Emily being self-aware. Her view of Emily is nothing like what’s inside the actual story. As several commenters remarked, Ava is glorified at every opportunity, instead of treated like the home-wrecking, scheming stalker she actually is.

Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 ATF
          
          It seems like ATF is getting close to the end. I’m sorry I roped you into a story that suddenly seemed to fall flat. I didn’t see that coming. I’m glad Lily and Reed are reconnecting and consider that realistic because at least the author kept surfacing the love from Reed and their connection.
          
          That said, I’m disappointed that once again the alleged secondary man became less than a nothing burger. (Like Julian… I mean what are these authors doing to us?!?) I commented that I still don’t understand what set this whole thing in motion… why did Gigi stalk him and what was she thinking because she’s ruined her life. 
          
          I liked the story but it lost A LOT from where it started. Shame. 

Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 Hello and ITA and NPLH
          
          Hello, my friends! So much quiet… I hope you’re both doing okay!
          
          So, I just read Chp 27 of ITA, and I had two thoughts… more than 60 paragraphs of utter fluff to say, we met at a restaurant. The amount of wasted words when we’re getting so few each week is ridiculous. (And BTW, no salad or soup course in a nice restaurant? … GMAB.) Finally, we get some actual dialogue and we have questions Emily could have asked 5 months ago? She probably needed to hear the answers but all that’s being discussed just reminds me all over again why I hate him. Which would be okay but we are 27 chapters in — almost halfway! And we are still on the despising him part of this journey. We’re nowhere near a pivot because he’s still the exact same selfish, lying, amoral pig he always was. I just do not see any point in them getting back together. They are literally nothing to each other now, except perhaps some 17-year-old nostalgia. 
          
          At least this conversation is finally unlocking the truth that HE was the one who aggressively pursued Ava (yeah, she helped it along, but he did kiss her first, etc.). I hope Emily *finally* asks about things like the second credit card and more. But why has it taken SO far into the book for this? Gosh, it’s just been SO needlessly strung out. Along those lines, the long waits between drops on a book that was allegedly finished last fall is ridiculous and disrespectful. I presume I’m still reading this because I hate an unfinished book,  but I’m sure I’ll have utter disdain for spineless Emily when she takes back a cheater. When he does it again (and again), she’ll only have herself to blame.
          
          On a happier note, I’m especially loving No Place Like Home. We’re on chapter 29 of that story, in only 5-6 weeks! I love her stories!

slcwatt55

@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818   -- FOR T'S RETURN
          
          No rush or pressure whatsoever, T, but in SS Rayne's "If We Must be Monsters" -- the husband Dario (believing his wife dead after she was kidnapped 2 years ago) was just revealed as always having worn his wife's wedding band on his necklace. It is what you/I had hoped David from 7DIM/ITA would have done for Emily -- but never bothered to do so. Some books get it right, some - not so much. Until your return to WP, my friend, I hope you're well and happy.

Wendy-578

          In the After .. you were right I promised I would tell you and here I am. 
          lol 
          
          Hello @slcwatt55 @tsaysshesays @nancy_818 
          
          I’lll make this short and sweet L.L Paris lost me. On the one ā€œDavid chaperā€  last a few chapters back the one where he met with Ava and found out about the pregnancy. He broke me on that one because that chapter was my final nail in the David coffin where I believe he truly would never would have stopped the affair. 
          
          Here he is supposedly madly in love Emily and he showed Ava too much concern and if he was ever going to step up this is where he needed to do it while he was blunt. I wanted him to be almost cruel I wanted him not to handle her with kid gloves.. I guess  I wanted  him to be a dick to her. 
          
          
          I am also not really liking how L.L  is not updating this on more of schedule seeing how it’s already written. To me with her doing this it’s not that life is getting in the way she is coming off like she is getting to big for britches.. please excuse my very American term. 
          
          That’s all happy reading. 
          
          P.s I see you on Sam and Tallulah and love that story and I have already forgiven Sam 

Nancy_818

@Wendy-578 TRUE! Plot completely dropped. And what’s sad is that as this point, David & Emily are obsessed with Ava in return. Other than a kid pickup, we haven’t seen them have a discussion that didn’t revolve around Ava. Considering this is supposed to be David’s redemption arc, it’s funny how Ava remains the central character in the story! And YES on caps regarding the posting schedule. RIDICULOUS! I hope people pile on that. I swear she was saying it was done like last September or October! And she didn’t want any gap between books, etc. (as you know, we had a three-week gap, and this one started in November!). Just think, GroveltoHEA has published about ten books since then. (I hate to do comparisons but L is the one who said ITA was done months ago.)
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Wendy-578

@Nancy_818 YES TO ALL OF THIS AND I LOVE THST SHE BEING CALLED OUT ON HER UPDATES . I using caps because I m pissed.. the sympathy and kindness for Ava makes me vomit . Why bring in Ava as obsessed over this couple and not expand on this plot point? 
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Nancy_818

@Wendy-578 Hi Wendy! I saw your comments on the new ITA chapter and you were dead-on… so much sympathy for Ava! From Emily… which is so ironic because Ava never had an ounce of remorse in stealing David away from her, Max, and Theo. Once again, Ava is the star even when she’s not in the room! I felt like Emily was showing more emotion than both Ava and David did. It’s astounding, actually. I liked when Emily said, ā€œThere really was no bottom to it, was there?ā€ I feel like that’s a good realization. She could and should have hammered him much more on getting two women pregnant at the same time, on what that would have been like with two children the same age from two different women. She could’ve hammered him on how that would look, etc. She also should have asked if he had unprotected sex with them the same day. I wish Emily would have been meaner about that. I would have said something about how ā€˜we could’ve shared a room on the maternity ward so he could see both children.’ (I do have a petty streak with my fictional characters.) But of course, every conversation has to revolve around Ava’s feelings instead, as the bulk of this chapter did.
            
            I was glad the other credit card was finally mentioned, although I’d still rather she have seen the reality of those statements. I wanted her to see a ton of condom purchases and realize how he’d lied about that. He’s still getting away with hiding a lot of the truth. 
            
            Did you see someone commented next to the next drop date, ā€˜Why are we only getting one post a week on a book that’s complete and edited? It’ll take us a year to get through at this rate.’ I love that she’s being questioned on it. It’s true! 32 chapters to go is more than six months at the current pace! Ridiculous. I hope more people say something.
            
            
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slcwatt55

@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818 ITA - Chp 24 Lawyer, Lord, & Tabloid
          
          Have you guys read this Chp?
          
          I need your feedback. 
          
          But - either my disappointment in the story at-large has negatively influenced my "read" - OR - the book has truly become kinda terrible. 
          
          My general description of the Chp - Lame. Archaic. Non-sensical. Disjointed. Emotionally undeveloped (and less than flat). Oh...and CHEESY as hell.
          
          Specifically:
          1) Emily isn't dating Julian. They haven't kissed - they haven't even discussed a romantic relationship. NOTHING. So -- why would Emily feel she can lambast Julian for recently being engaged? They haven't even gone on a true 1st date -- their interactions are platonic so far. He owes her nothing.
          2) Why would Emily -- a divorced woman -- immediately respond to photos of her having a picnic w/ a man with (the equivalent of) "my boys will see this...my mom and dad will see this"? Uh...ok. She's not allowed to eat with the opposite sex in 2026? Is this 1826? Did she show her ankle in that dress, too?
          3) Emily is upset that Julian didn't reveal he is a Lord. Here's the better question -- WHY WOULD HE HAVE?  This reads like the pre-teen harlequin novels I loved when I was 12-13yo - where Sally has no date to the Jr. Prom, meets a nice cute boy who is new to town, commits after 1 kiss and takes her to the Jr. Prom (w/ her teenage friends) -- only to find out he's really a famous rock star! (And, he'll apologize for not telling her earlier.) THAT is THIS book! What kinda sh*t is this?
          4) David - has become the divorced loser trope --  the successful guy who can't cook. (Every chp - Is this supposed to endear us?) And, his Mom calls in a panic - ~"don't look at the news" -- worried he'll flip out over photos of his ex-wife (who he has yet to fight for) having lunch with another guy. REALLY? This is the same guy who let his Jr.Assoc. suck him off in the office - so he can handle a photo of a picnic - trust.
              Is it just me -- or has this book just become...bad?

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays - 
            7DIM (A Bad Christmas Thinking About Ava) -- and Other Books
            
            Well - I read the 7DIM "teaser." Unbelievable that the one supplement to 7DIM is NOT to show a good or loving relationship between David/Emily but -- instead -- to fortify that David is willing to "risk" his family for Ava. (His word choice.) I posted a comment because I don't care anymore. And - you're right - find me a teenage boy who is willing to get into matching pajamas -- I'll pay you $100. Ridiculous.
            
            Doesn't it make you wonder what David bought Ava? I REFUSE to believe David didn't buy her something expensive, because (1) he's David, and (2) he loves Ava so much that he spends X-Mas knowing he's risking his entire family for HER. That girl is getting diamonds.
            
            As for ITA -- I'm glad to hear you think the book sucks, too. I really challenged myself -- wondering if my disappointment at-large skewed my review. So, I appreciate the validation. I wasn't joking, either, when I wrote that ITA officially reads like the pre-teen romance novels I remember loving in 7th/8th grade (where the new boy to town falls for the girl and ends up really being a rock star or famous movie star 9x/10 -- and then apologizes for not telling his teenage girlfriend earlier). Hahaha - ITA has the identical storyline as the books written for 13yos (with Julian's royal title being the secret -- also revealed via paparazzi -- and the fear of Emily being photographed eating w/ this famous person -- ohnooooooo!)
            
            As for Sam & Tallulah - I'm enjoying the book. It's sweet, and I like the tension. Boy - does she have a TON of fans. I keep discovering that I've read quite a few of her books - like I read Case & Gemma ages ago - but didn't realize it until this book. I wonder when Sam fell in love w/ Tally? I think it was during those 1st four months when it was just them - and I think they are the first people to have not wanted something from the other - other than time. 
            
            What are your thoughts on ATF?
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays two updates on my comments
            
            If you go to the WP book, 7DIM, there’s a sneak peek *sample* post of the new Christmas chapter. It’s as expected, Ava in his thoughts, as he plays fake good dad for the family photo. I still don’t really understand why D&A aren’t together… he was happiest with her and not faking everything. It’s not like he’s done even ONE thing to get Emily back. (Great, now the blood pressure goes back up. LOL)
            
            The official ā€œSugarā€ tagline is: ā€œEverything has a price. The mistake is thinking only one person is paying.ā€ There is no indication in that announcement but allegedly, her next story was going to be about James & Kathryn. 
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays bad books & good books
            
            Hey S, I have been reading ITA and have thoughts I haven’t had time to write (sorry!), but bottom line… YES, the book has just become bad. Much worse than anything I anticipated. It’s almost shocking to see the drop from where it started. For now, I’ll just state the obvious… the affair is what the author was passionate about. 
            
            On a positive note, I love seeing all your comments on Sam & Tallulah!! While that story has been widely anticipated on FB, it’s still unreal to see the comment totals on the chapters exceed 1-1.3K … that’s much higher than usual. You bring the party with you, S!!! What I love about GroveltoHEA’s stories is that there’s rarely a dip in action or quality. She’s not writing filler chapters about colanders and fruit bowls. 
            
            I noticed on FB that L announced her next book. ā€œSugar.ā€ Tagline is something about more than one person paying a price. 
            
            OH, and get this!!! When 7DIM is published, a new chapter is included covering the Christmas holiday (during which David & Ava were cheating). The chapter is titled ā€œO Come All Ye Faithfulā€ and it’s supposedly focused on David, Emily, and the boys and matching family pajamas etc. Nothing teen boys love more! And when did Emily seem like the matching PJ mom? Not seeing that at all… at this age. Anyways, it’s funny because I distinctly remember being told that ā€˜holidays and such was not what this story was about.’ We got a whole A/N reprimand about it! 
            
            Finally for now, you called it, S… why now make Emily the Other Woman?!?
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Nancy_818

@Tsaysshesays @slcwatt55 WP question
          
          Is it just me and the devices, or do either of you have this problem…
          
          You see a BOOK comment on your notifications but when you try to click through to respond, you get a ā€œcomment is lostā€ notification from WattPad? 
          
          I end up having to search for each one individually to respond. That flaw and error message really annoys me!

slcwatt55

@Tsaysshesays @Nancy_818  New SS Book
          
          If We Must Be Monsters
          
          This only has 2 chps — and I’m already mesmerized. It starts with a bang - with the kidnapped MFC killing her captor and breaking out, leaving a dead friend behind. From the details - she’s been gone 2 years in captivity — and her crime boss husband thinks she’s dead. It’s like the flip of R&R — just where the husband wants his wife back, I think. Nancy - you may want to tap out - as the description Is that it’s a really bloody and violent book. H/h are HEA — and there are apparently OW (more than 1) but the H never touches anyone else. I am wondering if this will be women in his life (quasi-girlfriends, maybe) when his wife shows up — and maybe they linger — that’s just a guess. Author says OG H/h are toxic, possessive, but never leave other (even though it sounds like we’ll question if they should at times). But - no infidelity. 

slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshessays Cats Don't Fake Liking You
            
            I laughed at your description of your cats -- and 17years of hate - hahahaha! That's the thing w/ cats -- they won't fake it, will they?
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Nancy_818

@slcwatt55 @Tsaysshesays Re: Cats 
            
            Lololol on the professional wrestler! Love that! I swear the creator of Garfield was inspired by a quintessential orange tabby. I think ours was 17 lbs. at one point, and he acted like he was half that. No size perception. He was the ā€˜follow you everywhere’ type, I was never alone. I just loved him. The last pair was a he/she. My orange tabby had launched himself at me when I’d opened the shelter cage door and he was not letting go. He was right. My son chose the other one. She was only 3-4 months old but had clearly already been abused. The shelter said of course they’ll get along, they were from the same cage. Lie. Such a lie. They didn’t get along for 17 years! :) 
            
            Pets just bring such joy. Their unconditional love is unrivaled. They break your heart when they go, simply because they hold such a special place in it.
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slcwatt55

@Nancy_818 @Tsaysshesays Cats
            
            I love hearing your stories. My orange tabby was the antithesis of a gazelle - more like a professional
            Wrestler. You mentioned they didn’t get along - were they both females? I have read that female cats are quite territorial and don’t like to share their families with other females —  if not bonded. That may be more myth than truth — although I’ve heard it more than once. 
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