Muslim Christian Dialogue

3. The Doctrine of the Trinity

THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY

M. Do you still believe in the Trinity?

C. Sure, it is written in the First Epistle of John 5:7 & 8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth, the spirit, the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

M. Oh, that is in the authorized King James Version, of 1611, and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other Bibles, as it was a gross error that had encroached on the Greek text according to the Doctors of Divinity of the Church.

C. Really. I was not aware of this! This is shocking!

M. Yes. Also in I John 5:7 & 8 in the New American Standard Bible it reads as follows: "And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." Also, in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovah's Witnesses, you will find: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement." I can understand if you don't know that this important part has been removed, but I wonder why many ministers and preachers are not aware of this. Or if they are aware, why don't they inform their flock of this?

The Trinity is not Biblical. The word Trinity is not even in the Bible or even in the Bible dictionaries. It was never taught by Jesus and was never mentioned by him. There is no basis or proof in the Bible whatsoever for the acceptance of the Trinity.

C. But in Matthew 28:19 we still find: "... baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." This part is not removed yet, so is this not a proof of the Trinity?

M. No. If you mention three different persons are sitting or eating together, does it mean that they are forming one person? Definitely not! The formulation of the Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria, was accepted by the Council of Nicaea in A.D. 325, i.e. more than three centuries after Jesus had been taken up. Without doubt Roman and Egyptian paganism had influence in this doctrine of the triune god.

C. I want proof of your allegation that there is Roman & Egyptian paganism in Christianity.

M. Okay! These are the Gods & sons of the Gods of the following nations that had influence:

NationsGods NameGREEKSAppolo, DionysiusROMANSHerculesSYRIANSAdonis & Attis
PERSIANS Mithra EGYPTIANS Osiris, Isis, Horus BABYLONIANS Baal, Astarte

From the above you can see that these nations worshipped these imaginative gods and idols, and when Paul decided to make Jesus into son of God these nations found it reasonable to believe it. Also the Sabbath, which was observed on Saturday by Jesus, was shifted to Sunday; December 25, which was the birthday of their sun god Mithra, was introduced as Jesus' birthday. The Bible clearly predicted and forbade the decoration of Christmas trees in Jeremiah 10:2-5: "Thus saith the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it moves not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not; they must be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." Yet the Christians have been doing this for centuries and the Church & the Priests have not stopped this evil, which is clearly forbidden in the Bible as it is an innovation and against the teachings of the Bible. The Roman Julian calendar was introduced as the Christian era; the eating of pork became acceptable though Jesus never ate pork, circumcision was abolished by Paul (Galatians 5:2) "Behold, I, Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." Yet circumcision is a covenant between God and Prophet Abraham and his descendants. Abraham and his son and men folk of his household were ordered to circumcise by God. Because Christianity had deviated a long way from the original teachings of Jesus (pbuh), Allah then sent as part of His original plan, His final messenger, Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) as a revivalist to restore the original teachings. Tell me: who is greater? Paul or Abraham. (pbuh).