The Batpoint Paradox

Interlude: Timmy's Working List of Discrepancies

-Thomas and Martha Wayne were never murdered

-Martha is still alive and Thomas died of a stroke when Bruce was in his late twenties

-So no Batman

-No Batman, so no Batfamily either

-Dick was adopted by Oliver Queen

-Jason never died

-Jack Drake (my father) wasn't killed by captain boomerang but he did die a year later in a car crash, along with his wife Janet (my mother)who hadn't died on a dig.

-Dick is a member of the arrow family and goes by Arsenal, he isn't as well trained and doesn't utilize his acrobatic skills  

-Donna Troy leads the Titians

-Jason and Roy never met 

-Damien is still an assassin

-The Joker is dead, Jason killed him, the why is unclear (no one wants to open that can of worms by asking him about it)

-Even without Batman Joker still fell in the acid, before he died he spent most of his time tormenting the GCPD. His attacks were less frequent but had a higher body count 

-Wally is deep in the closet and therefor not married to Dick

-Jon and Damien never met 

-Lex Luthor is president and on good terms with the JLA, Superman and Superboy, whom he claims was created without his knowledge (sure Lex). 

-I (Timothy Drake) am a civilian college student 

-Dick didn't help found the Titians, instead Roy Harper (at the time Speedy) who was trying to be a good role model for his new little brother (Dick), teamed up with Wally (then Kid Flash) and Garth (then aqualad). They were soon joined by Wondergirl (Donna Troy), Miss Martian and Ravager (Rose Wilson).

-Barbara Gordon is a (damn good) cop, she never got shot by the Joker (either because Jason killed him before it could happen, or without Batman he didn't feel the need to enact his "One Bad Day" horror show.

-Kate Kane is still a vigilante but she goes by the name Red Queen instead, she was Gotham's first bat. 

-Before Kate Gotham was hero-less for years, most of Batman's older rogues were still active, just without as many costumes and gimmicks.  
-No one could solve the Riddler's riddles so he got away with more crimes, but eventually grew bored and left Gotham.

-Scarecrow, Mr.Pigg and the Dollmaker each at different times wreaked havoc while at large, until eventually they were shot and killed by police after refusing to stand down when cornered.  

-Steph still became Spoiler, but was never Robin or Batgirl, she's currently a member of the birds of Prey along with Huntress, Kate Cane and occasionally Black Canary.  She and Barbara have a similar relationship to Batman and Jim Gordon (well if Batman was secretly a blonde, female college student)

-Cassandra Cain did eventually break away from her father and became Orphan, but she operates in Blüdhaven instead of Gotham 

-Alfred still refuses to retire, and his favorite pastime is nagging Bruce about grandchildren  

-Dick holds a largely pointless job at Queen Consolidated, acting as more of a socialite than anything.

-Dick and Wally were never really friends, with Dick not joining the team until he was sixteen still under the umbrella of 'Roy's little brother',  they never got to know each other.

-I (Tim) never honed my detective skills, or hacking abilities 

-Jason is a straight up crime lord (again-except this time without a vigilante background and bat-daddy issues) 

-Wally is dating Donna Troy 

-The Justice League formed a few years later, the founding members were Superman, Wonder-Woman, The Flash (Barry Allen), Martian Manhunter, The Atom and Green Arrow.

-There's no watchtower, the League actually does operate out of the hall of Justice, their budget is substantially lower without Batman 

-I (Tim) met Kon when Kon tagged along to an interview with me Clark had done during one of Kon's visits to Metropolis a few years back 

-Dick didn't become a hero until he was sixteen because Oliver refused to let him until he was older, especially because he was already training Roy and later Arrowette at the time.

-The League of assassins has operated virtually unchecked for years so they have much more power and influence. However Ra's al Ghul has grown bored and continues to search for a worthy rival (and he can keep looking, the creep) 

-Both the JLA and the Titans are substantially less effective 

-A mind controlled Superman almost wiped out half the league a few years back

-Tara Markov didn't die, because she was never separated from her family, she's currently an active member of the Titians called Geo-Girl along with her brother Geo-Force.

- Lilith (formerly Omen) was killed during the events that took Tara Markov's life in the original timeline

-Rose Wilson was the first Ravager, she was one of the earlier members of the Teen Titian but died in a battle against Trigon. In retaliation Deathstroke mortally wounded Beastboy and Arrowette, they both recovered but Arrowette lost a leg, an event that prompted her early retirement from the hero game.

-Grant Wilson never died, he lived a civilian life until the death of his sister, (whom he had recently met and formed a relationship with) when he took up her mantle as Ravager and joined the Titians 

-The outlaws never existed, Roy and Kory did leave the Titans for awhile to go solo but they both returned eventually 

-Roy still drinks 

-Bruce Wayne became a Surgeon

-Artemis is a villain, she took up her mother's old mantle and goes by Huntress 

-There are no Green Lanterns on the JLA because Guy Gardener was the first lantern on earth and the League didn't think even the incredible power he possessed from the Green Lantern Ring made putting up with him worth it (understandable)

-Victor Stone died instead of becoming Cyborg

-Lagan is Aqualad instead of Lagoonboy

-Some years after the Teen-Titians were created Young Justice was still formed, this time just by Superboy (Kon), Wondergirl(Cassie) and Impulse(Bart), without a Robin (me) they had a harder time functioning on their own and eventually folded into the Teen-Titians/ Titians (also referred to as 'the team').